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From: "Keld Jørn Simonsen" <keld@dkuug.dk>
To: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
Cc: Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+list@rabbit.us>,
	Moshe Yudkowsky <moshe@pobox.com>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:01:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080129180101.GB19527@rap.rap.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <479F5882.8050400@msgid.tls.msk.ru>

On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 07:46:58PM +0300, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:41PM +0300, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> >> Linux raid10 MODULE (which implements that standard raid10
> >> LEVEL in full) adds some quite.. unusual extensions to that
> >> standard raid10 LEVEL.  The resulting layout is also called
> >> raid10 in linux (ie, not giving new names), but it's not that
> >> raid10 (which is again the same as raid1+0) as commonly known
> >> in various literature and on the internet.  Yet raid10 module
> >> fully implements STANDARD raid10 LEVEL.
> > 
> > My understanding is that you can have a linux raid10 of only 2
> > drives, while the standard RAID 1+0 requires 4 drives, so this is a huge
> > difference.
> 
> Ugh.  2-drive raid10 is effectively just a raid1.  I.e, mirroring
> without any striping. (Or, backwards, striping without mirroring).

OK.  

uhm, well, I did not understand: "(Or, backwards, striping without
mirroring)."  I don't think a 2 drive vanilla raid10 will do striping.
Please explain.

> Pretty much like with raid5 of 2 disks - it's the same as raid1.

I think in raid5 of 2 disks, half of the chunks are parity chynks which
are evenly distributed over the two disks, and the parity chunk is the
XOR of the data chunk. But maybe I am wrong. Also the behaviour of suce
a raid5 is different from a raid1 as the parity chunk is not used as
data.
> 
> > I am not sure what vanilla linux raid10 (near=2, far=1)
> > has of properties. I think it can run with only 1 disk, but I think it
> 
> number of copies should be <= number of disks, so no.

I have a clear understanding that in a vanilla linux raid10 (near=2, far=1)
you can run with one failing disk, that is with only one working disk.
Am I wrong?

> > does not have striping capabilities. It would be nice to have more 
> > info on this, eg in the man page. 
> 
> It's all in there really.  See md(4).  Maybe it's not that
> verbose, but it's not a user's guide (as in: a large book),
> after all.

Some man pages have examples. Or info could be written in the faq or in
wikipedia.

Best regards
keld
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-29 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-29  4:44 In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information? Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-29  5:08 ` Neil Brown
2008-01-29 11:02   ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-29 11:14     ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-29 11:29       ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-29 14:09         ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-29 14:07       ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-29 14:47         ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-29 15:13           ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-29 15:41             ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-29 16:51               ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-29 17:51                 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2008-01-29 16:16             ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-29 16:34               ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-29 19:34                 ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-29 20:21                   ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2008-01-29 22:14                     ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-29 23:45                       ` Bill Davidsen
2008-01-30  0:13                         ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-30 22:36                           ` Bill Davidsen
2008-01-30  0:17                       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2008-01-29 23:44                   ` Bill Davidsen
2008-01-30  0:22                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2008-01-30  0:26                       ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-30 22:39                         ` Bill Davidsen
2008-01-30  0:32                       ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-30  0:53                         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2008-01-30  1:00                           ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-31 14:40                             ` Bill Davidsen
2008-01-30 13:11                   ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-30 14:10                     ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-30 14:41                       ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-31 14:59                       ` Bill Davidsen
2008-02-02 20:17                         ` Bill Davidsen
2008-01-30 12:01                 ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-29 16:42               ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-29 16:26             ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2008-01-29 16:46               ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-29 18:01                 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen [this message]
2008-01-30 13:37                   ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-30 14:47                     ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-30 15:21                       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2008-01-30 15:35                         ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-30 15:46                           ` Loop devices to RAID? (was Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?) Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-30 15:56                             ` Tim Southerwood
2008-01-29 15:57           ` In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information? Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-29 16:37             ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2008-01-29 16:57               ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-30 11:03             ` David Greaves
2008-01-30 11:44               ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-30 12:00                 ` WRONG INFO (was Re: In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information?) Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-30 12:41                   ` David Greaves
2008-01-30 13:39                   ` Michael Tokarev
2008-02-04 16:49               ` In this partition scheme, grub does not find md information? John Stoffel
2008-02-04 17:26                 ` Michael Tokarev
2008-01-30 11:03           ` David Greaves
2008-01-29 14:48         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2008-01-29 16:00           ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-01-29 16:25             ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-01-29 14:04     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen

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