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From: Luca Berra <bluca@comedia.it>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@novell.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Subject: Re: RFC - device names and mdadm with some reference to udev.
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:17:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081028061727.GA7764@percy.comedia.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081027082257.GB1801@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:22:57AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
>also sprach Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> [2008.10.26.2356 +0100]:
>> Greeting.
>>  This is a Request For Comments....
>
>Good morning!
>
>[...]
>> I'm also wondering if I should include a udev 'rules' file for md
>> in the mdadm distribution.  Obviously it would be no more than
>> a recommendation, but it might give me a voice in guiding how udev
>> interacted with mdadm.
>
>I would really like to have a clear separation of competencies.
>Ideally, mdadm never creates any devices but leaves it all to udev,
>and all configuration about alternate names ("symlinks") is done in
>the udev rules file.
I would not, mdadm should be still able to create the base device name
if needed. Aliases could be left to udev.
>I know mdadm needs the devices for the ioctls(). However, much of
>what it does with ioctl should already be possible with /sys. Thus,
>in my ideal world, I imagine mdadm to be a manipulator of /sys,
/sys has the same issue as /dev.
there is no md sys node before the device is created.
apart from this small issue, mdadm should be able to control md via
sysfs as well (i.e. sync_action).

>I realise this would require a revamp of mdadm, and might actually
>be better done in a new software designed to eventually replace
>mdadm. But is this a way forward with which you could befriend
>yourself?
Please, NO, it took ages to get people and some distributions to stop
using raidtools in favor of mdadm, don't do this mess again.

L.



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-28  6:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-26 22:56 RFC - device names and mdadm with some reference to udev Neil Brown
2008-10-27  8:22 ` martin f krafft
2008-10-27 15:13   ` Doug Ledford
2008-10-27 16:10     ` Andre Noll
2008-10-27 16:37       ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-27 16:59         ` martin f krafft
2008-10-27 18:31           ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-28  6:21             ` Luca Berra
2008-10-27 17:24         ` Doug Ledford
2008-10-27 23:36           ` Neil Brown
2008-10-29 18:49             ` Doug Ledford
2008-10-28  6:32           ` Luca Berra
2008-10-28  9:42           ` occasional bitmap was " David Greaves
2008-10-27 17:30         ` Andre Noll
2008-10-27 16:13     ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-27 22:37   ` Neil Brown
2008-10-27 22:51     ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-27 23:56       ` Neil Brown
2008-10-28  0:20         ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-28  6:17   ` Luca Berra [this message]
2008-10-27 12:41 ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-27 13:23   ` David Lethe
2008-10-27 23:27     ` Neil Brown
2008-10-27 23:48       ` David Lethe
2008-10-27 13:24   ` Andre Noll
2008-10-27 14:20     ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-27 23:23   ` Neil Brown
2008-10-28  0:03     ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-28  0:43       ` Neil Brown
2008-10-28  1:16         ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-28  1:44       ` Neil Brown
2008-10-28  1:52         ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-28  1:54           ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-31 20:54       ` Debian and udev (was: RFC - device names and mdadm with some reference to udev.) martin f krafft
2008-10-31 23:08         ` Bernd Schubert
2008-10-29  8:56     ` RFC - device names and mdadm with some reference to udev Gabor Gombas
2008-10-31 20:49     ` mdp devices on Debian (was: RFC - device names and mdadm with some reference to udev.) martin f krafft
2008-10-30 17:18 ` RFC - device names and mdadm with some reference to udev Doug Ledford
2008-10-31  9:45   ` Neil Brown
2008-11-03  9:29     ` Gabor Gombas
2008-11-03 10:33       ` Kay Sievers
2008-11-03 11:58         ` Gabor Gombas
2008-11-03 12:11           ` Kay Sievers
2008-11-03 14:34     ` Doug Ledford
2008-11-03 15:20       ` Dan Williams
2008-11-07  6:13       ` Neil Brown
2008-11-02 13:47   ` Luca Berra
     [not found] <dledford@redhat.com>
2008-10-31  1:02 ` greg
2008-10-31  9:18   ` Neil Brown
2008-11-02 13:52     ` Luca Berra
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-11-04 15:36 greg

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