Re: Re: Ext3 sequential read performance drop 2.6.29 -> 2.6.30,2.6.31,...

Re: Re: Ext3 sequential read performance drop 2.6.29 -> 2.6.30,2.6.31,...

[Christoph Hellwig]

On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 01:55:54PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:09:55 +0200
> Laurent CORBES <laurent.corbes@smartjog.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > While benchmarking some systems I discover a big sequential read performance
> > drop using ext3 on ~ big files. The drop seems to be introduced in 2.6.30. I'm
> > testing with 2.6.28.6 -> 2.6.29.6 -> 2.6.30.4 -> 2.6.31.3.
> 
> Seems that large performance regressions aren't of interest to this
> list :(

No sure which list you mean, but dm-devel is for dm, not md.  We're also
seeing similarly massive performance drops with md and ext3/xfs as
already reported on the list.  Someone tracked it down to writeback
changes as usual, but there it got stuck.

Re: Re: Ext3 sequential read performance drop 2.6.29 -> 2.6.30,2.6.31,...

[NeilBrown]

On Tue, November 3, 2009 9:06 pm, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 01:55:54PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:09:55 +0200
>> Laurent CORBES <laurent.corbes@smartjog.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > While benchmarking some systems I discover a big sequential read
>> performance
>> > drop using ext3 on ~ big files. The drop seems to be introduced in
>> 2.6.30. I'm
>> > testing with 2.6.28.6 -> 2.6.29.6 -> 2.6.30.4 -> 2.6.31.3.
>>
>> Seems that large performance regressions aren't of interest to this
>> list :(
>
> No sure which list you mean, but dm-devel is for dm, not md.  We're also
> seeing similarly massive performance drops with md and ext3/xfs as
> already reported on the list.  Someone tracked it down to writeback
> changes as usual, but there it got stuck.

I'm still looking - running some basic tests on 4 filesystems over
half a dozen recent kernels to see what has been happening.

I have a suspicion that there a multiple problems.
In particular, XFS has a strange degradation which was papered over
by commit c8a4051c3731b.
I'm beginning to wonder if it was caused by commit 17bc6c30cf6bf
but I haven't actually tested that yet.

NeilBrown

Re: [dm-devel] Re: Ext3 sequential read performance drop 2.6.29 -> 2.6.30,2.6.31,...

[Laurent CORBES]

Hi all,

> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > While benchmarking some systems I discover a big sequential read
> >> performance
> >> > drop using ext3 on ~ big files. The drop seems to be introduced in
> >> 2.6.30. I'm
> >> > testing with 2.6.28.6 -> 2.6.29.6 -> 2.6.30.4 -> 2.6.31.3.
> >>
> >> Seems that large performance regressions aren't of interest to this
> >> list :(

Or +200MB/s is enough for a lot of people :)

> > No sure which list you mean, but dm-devel is for dm, not md.  We're also
> > seeing similarly massive performance drops with md and ext3/xfs as
> > already reported on the list.  Someone tracked it down to writeback
> > changes as usual, but there it got stuck.
> 
> I'm still looking - running some basic tests on 4 filesystems over
> half a dozen recent kernels to see what has been happening.
> 
> I have a suspicion that there a multiple problems.
> In particular, XFS has a strange degradation which was papered over
> by commit c8a4051c3731b.
> I'm beginning to wonder if it was caused by commit 17bc6c30cf6bf
> but I haven't actually tested that yet.

What is really strange is that from all the tests I did the raw md perfs never
dropped. only a few MB of diff between kernel (~2%). This is maybe related to
the way upper FS write datas on the md layer.

I'll make the tests on raw disks to see if there is some troubles here also. I
can also test with other raid layers. Is there any tuning/debug I
can make for you ? I can also setup a remote access to this system if needed.

Thanks.
-- 
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Re: [dm-devel] Re: Ext3 sequential read performance drop 2.6.29 -> 2.6.30,2.6.31,...

[Neil Brown]

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On Tuesday November 3, laurent.corbes@smartjog.com wrote:
> 
> What is really strange is that from all the tests I did the raw md perfs never
> dropped. only a few MB of diff between kernel (~2%). This is maybe related to
> the way upper FS write datas on the md layer.

That isn't all that strange.  It just says that the problem isn't with
MD, but is in some other part of Linux closer to the filesystem.

I did some tests with a range of kernels (all 'mainline', not the
'stable' versions that you used) and while I do see a noticeable dip
at 2.6.30 (except with ext3) is see improved performance in 2.6.31 and
even greater improvements with 2.6.32-rc5.

So while I confirm that 2.6.30 is worse than earlier kernels, and that
there was a general decline leading to that point, things have become
dramatically better.  So I don't think it is worth exploring very deeply.

All the numbers in the graph come from 'bonnie' over the various
file-systems on a 5-drive RAID6.

NeilBrown


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Re: Re: Ext3 sequential read performance drop 2.6.29 -> 2.6.30,2.6.31,...

[Andrew Morton]

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:42:30 +1100 "NeilBrown" <neilb@suse.de> wrote:

> On Tue, November 3, 2009 9:06 pm, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 01:55:54PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:09:55 +0200
> >> Laurent CORBES <laurent.corbes@smartjog.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > While benchmarking some systems I discover a big sequential read
> >> performance
> >> > drop using ext3 on ~ big files. The drop seems to be introduced in
> >> 2.6.30. I'm
> >> > testing with 2.6.28.6 -> 2.6.29.6 -> 2.6.30.4 -> 2.6.31.3.
> >>
> >> Seems that large performance regressions aren't of interest to this
> >> list :(
> >
> > No sure which list you mean, but dm-devel is for dm, not md.

bah.

>  We're also
> > seeing similarly massive performance drops with md and ext3/xfs as
> > already reported on the list.  Someone tracked it down to writeback
> > changes as usual, but there it got stuck.
> 
> I'm still looking - running some basic tests on 4 filesystems over
> half a dozen recent kernels to see what has been happening.
> 
> I have a suspicion that there a multiple problems.
> In particular, XFS has a strange degradation which was papered over
> by commit c8a4051c3731b.
> I'm beginning to wonder if it was caused by commit 17bc6c30cf6bf
> but I haven't actually tested that yet.

I think Laurent's workload involves only reads, with no writes.