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From: Neil Brown <neilb-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
To: Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Dan Williams
	<dan.j.williams-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-raid-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	martin f krafft <madduck-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Bill Nottingham <notting-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [[Patch mdadm] 2/5] Move the files mdmon opens into /dev/ to support handoff after pivotroot
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:23:07 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100208152307.4afbc03d@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B6DAC06.6060909-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:51:02 -0500
Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I will say that needing to touch multiple software packages might not be
> a bad thing, but think of *how* they had to be changed.  We had to add
> special exceptions for mdmon all over the place: kernel scheduler (for
> suspend/resume, mdmon can't be frozen like the rest of user space or
> else writing our suspend to disk image doesn't work), initramfs,
> initscripts after initramfs, initscripts on halt, SELinux.  In all these
> cases, we had to take something that we want to keep simple and add
> special case rules and exceptions for mdmon.  That pretty solidly says
> that while this arrangement may have been elegant for *you*, it was not
> elegant in the overall grand scheme of things.
> 

or it just means we are breaking new ground :-)

The suspend/resume issue you bring up is an important one and to my mind is
currently unsolved.

Based on my limited understanding of hibernation, I think that mdmon should
be to quiesce (but not actually be frozen) prior to taking the in-memory
snapshot, then thawed prior to writing that snapshot out to disk.
Further when it is thawed after resume-from-disk it needs to know it has been
thawed so it can check the metadata on-disk to see if any failure happened
while it slept.

Similar thing would be needed for suspend through fuse.

Do you know exactly what was done to the scheduler in redhat?

NeilBrown

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-02-08  4:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-11 20:38 Minor mdadm fixes Doug Ledford
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 1/5] Make the IMSM_DEVNAME_AS_SERIAL option work when creating containers. This allows a person to testing using loopback devices that don't support serial number queries Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:01   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-18 22:13   ` Dan Williams
2010-01-19  1:55     ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-19  4:42       ` Dan Williams
2010-01-19  5:31         ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-19  5:47           ` Dan Williams
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 2/5] Move the files mdmon opens into /dev/ to support handoff after pivotroot Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:09   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-19  7:21     ` Luca Berra
2010-01-19 17:51     ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-01 20:32       ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-01 21:32         ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-01 22:42           ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-02  4:08             ` Michael Evans
2010-02-02  7:17               ` Luca Berra
2010-02-02 15:42               ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-02 18:19                 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-04 13:50                   ` Bernd Schubert
2010-02-04 15:03                     ` Bernd Schubert
2010-02-04 15:48                       ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-04 16:40                         ` Bernd Schubert
2010-02-04 17:35                           ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-02 18:11               ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-02 18:07             ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-02 18:18               ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-04  6:40       ` Neil Brown
2010-02-04 18:45         ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]           ` <4B6B15B3.8030205-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-04 23:04             ` Dan Williams
     [not found]               ` <e9c3a7c21002041504w17565653m5a8b8cd90543cf1e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-05  0:21                 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-05 12:14                   ` Luca Berra
2010-02-06 17:51               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                 ` <4B6DAC06.6060909-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-06 21:07                   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                     ` <e9c3a7c21002061307le6f5d56ked4fa3711bdd2367-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-06 21:46                       ` martin f krafft
2010-02-06 22:06                         ` Michael Evans
2010-02-08 15:32                       ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-08 21:38                         ` Neil Brown
2010-02-09  0:20                           ` Michael Evans
     [not found]                           ` <20100209083838.6568cac0-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-09  2:19                             ` martin f krafft
     [not found]                               ` <20100209021949.GB11780-0owbi4v4jRjYceiJAzDLgeTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-09 20:34                                 ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                   ` <4B71C6CA.3010407-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-10  0:58                                     ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
     [not found]                                       ` <alpine.LNX.2.01.1002091553580.10004-pIN9qAC4yfKseEBmXaVrNB5FPEiCeG3sAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-10  1:33                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-02-10  9:46                                           ` Harald Hoyer
     [not found]                                           ` <20100210123321.324e5de6-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-10 15:49                                             ` Dan Williams
2010-02-10 16:06                                               ` Michael Evans
     [not found]                                                 ` <4877c76c1002100806w66e504deg767f6ecc8cc7fa8a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-11  2:30                                                   ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-09 20:30                             ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-08  4:23                   ` Neil Brown [this message]
2010-02-07 22:13             ` Hans de Goede
2010-02-07 23:06               ` Neil Brown
2010-02-08  3:45           ` Neil Brown
2010-02-08 16:56             ` Bill Nottingham
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 3/5] We don't like %02d as a metadata format specifier, it confuses us when we read the output back later Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:02   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 4/5] When using -D --export the UUID is helpful, so print it out Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:03   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 5/5] Fix segfault when the AUTO keyword is used in the config file Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:03   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-12  0:49 ` Minor mdadm fixes Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-01-12  3:10   ` Andre Noll
2010-01-12  3:36     ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-12  4:39       ` Andre Noll
2010-01-12  4:46         ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-12  5:21           ` Andre Noll
2010-01-18 22:05 ` Neil Brown

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