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From: "Keld Jørn Simonsen" <keld@keldix.com>
To: Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com>
Cc: "Keld Jørn Simonsen" <keld@keldix.com>,
	"Roberto Spadim" <roberto@spadim.com.br>,
	Denis <denismpa@gmail.com>,
	Linux-RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: What's the typical RAID10 setup?
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:37:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110131203725.GB2283@www2.open-std.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D4718E1.9040607@hardwarefreak.com>

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 02:17:37PM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Keld Jørn Simonsen put forth on 1/31/2011 1:28 PM:
> > Top-posting...
> > 
> > How is the raid0+1 problem of only 33 % survival for 2 disk with RAID10?
> > 
> > I know for RAID10,F2 the implementation in Linux MD is bad.
> > It is only 33 % survival, while it with a probably minor fix could be 66%.
> > 
> > But how with RAID10,n2 and RAID10,o2?
> 
> I don't care what Neil or anyone says, these "layouts" are _NOT_ RAID 10.  If
> you want to discuss RAID 10, please leave these non-standard Frankenstein
> "layouts" out of the discussion.  Including them only muddies things unnecessarily.

Please keep terminology clean, and non-ambigeous.
Please refer to the old term RAID10 as RAID1+0, which is also the
original and more precise term for that concept of multilevel RAID.

RAID10 on this list refers to the RAID10 modules of the Linux kernel.

I can concurr that this may be a somewhat misleading term, as it is
easily confused with the popular understanding of RAID10, meaning
RAID1+0. And I see Linux RAID10 as a family of RAID1 layouts.
Indeed RAID10,n2 is almost the same as normal RAID1, and RAID10,o2
is an implementation of a specific layout of the RAID1 standard.
RAID10,f2 could easily also be seen as a specific RAID1 layout.

But that is the naming of terms that we have to deal with on this Linux
kernel list for the RAID modules.

best regards
Keld
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  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-31 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-31  9:41 What's the typical RAID10 setup? Mathias Burén
2011-01-31 10:14 ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 10:22   ` Mathias Burén
2011-01-31 10:36 ` CoolCold
2011-01-31 15:00   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:21     ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 15:27       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:28         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:32           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:34             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:37               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:45             ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 16:55         ` Denis
2011-01-31 17:31           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 18:35             ` Denis
2011-01-31 19:15               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 19:28                 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 19:35                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 19:37                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 20:22                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 20:17                   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-01-31 20:37                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen [this message]
2011-01-31 21:20                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 21:24                         ` Mathias Burén
2011-01-31 21:27                           ` Jon Nelson
2011-01-31 21:47                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 21:51                               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:50                                 ` NeilBrown
2011-01-31 22:53                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 23:10                                     ` NeilBrown
2011-01-31 23:14                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:52                               ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 23:00                                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 10:01                                 ` David Brown
2011-02-01 13:50                                   ` Jon Nelson
2011-02-01 14:25                                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 14:48                                     ` David Brown
2011-02-01 15:41                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03  3:36                                         ` Drew
2011-02-03  8:18                                           ` Stan Hoeppner
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2011-02-03 14:35                                               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 15:43                                                 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 15:50                                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 15:54                                                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 16:02                                                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 16:07                                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 16:16                                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 22:05                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-01 23:12                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02  9:25                                         ` Robin Hill
2011-02-02 16:00                                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:06                                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:07                                               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:10                                                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:13                                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 19:44                                                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-02 20:28                                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 21:31                                                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 22:13                                                         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-02 22:26                                                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03  1:57                                                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03  3:05                                                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-03  3:13                                                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03  3:17                                                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 23:35                                       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 16:02                                   ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 16:24                                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 17:56                                       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 18:09                                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 20:16                                           ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 20:32                                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 20:58                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 21:04                                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 21:18                                     ` David Brown
2011-02-01  0:58                             ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-01 12:50                               ` Roman Mamedov
2011-02-03 11:04                               ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 14:17                                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 15:54                                   ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 18:39                                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 18:41                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 23:43                                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04  3:49                                   ` hansbkk
2011-02-04  7:06                                   ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04  8:27                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04  9:06                                       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 10:04                                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 11:15                                           ` hansbkk
2011-02-04 13:33                                             ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 20:35                                           ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 20:42                                         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 21:15                                           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 22:05                                             ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 23:03                                               ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-06  3:59                                                 ` Drew
2011-02-06  4:27                                                   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 11:34                                       ` David Brown
2011-02-04 13:53                                         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 14:17                                           ` David Brown
2011-02-04 14:21                                           ` hansbkk
2011-02-06  4:02                                             ` Drew
2011-02-06  7:58                                               ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-06 12:03                                                 ` Roman Mamedov
2011-02-06 14:30                                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01  8:46                             ` hansbkk
2011-01-31 19:37               ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 19:41                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 19:46                   ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 19:53                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:10                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 22:14                         ` Denis
2011-01-31 22:33                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:36                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 20:23                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-01-31 21:59                   ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 22:08                     ` Jon Nelson
2011-01-31 22:38                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-01 10:05                         ` David Brown
2011-02-01  9:20                     ` Robin Hill
2011-02-04 16:03                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-04 16:22                         ` Robin Hill
2011-02-04 20:35                           ` [OT] " Phil Turmel
2011-02-04 20:35                           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-04 21:05                           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 21:13                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:30       ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 20:07 ` Stan Hoeppner

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