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From: "Keld Jørn Simonsen" <keld@keldix.com>
To: David Brown <david@westcontrol.com>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: What's the typical RAID10 setup?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:53:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110204135343.GC4808@www2.open-std.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <iigobc$n0n$2@dough.gmane.org>

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 12:34:00PM +0100, David Brown wrote:
> On 04/02/2011 09:27, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >Keld Jørn Simonsen put forth on 2/4/2011 1:06 AM:
> >
> >>Well RAID1+0 is not the best combination available. I would argue that
> >>raid10,f2 is significantly better in a number of areas.
> >
> >I'd guess Linux software RAID would be lucky to have 1% of RAID deployments
> >worldwide--very lucky.  The other 99%+ are HBA RAID or SAN/NAS 
> >"appliances" most
> >often using custom embedded RTOS with the RAID code written in assembler,
> >especially in the case of the HBAs.  For everything not Linux mdraid, RAID 
> >10
> >(aka 1+0) is king of the hill, and has been for 15 years+
> >
> 
> I wonder what sort of market penetration small cheap SAN/NAS 
> "appliances" have these days, aimed at the home markets and small 
> offices.  These are almost invariably Linux md raid devices, although 
> the user views them as an black-box appliance.
> 
> However, though they use md raid, they typically don't support RAID10, 
> RAID1+0, RAID10,f2, or anything other than RAID0, RAID1 and RAID5.

I wonder why this is so. (I cannot dispute what you are saying, as I have
not got any experience with any small SAN/NAS devices).

Anyway, Linux NAS/SAN devices should run a kernel that should be able to
run MD raid10 and RAID 1+0 - as this has been in the Linux kernel
for more than 5 years. 

For c0mpanies that sell Linux NAS/SAN devices, I would have thought that
they would have at least one engineer following this list. 
Maybe they will not disclose themselves, but are there some of you out
here? 

And what kind of support of RAID types are available on your box?

And maybe the more advanced stuff is available, but only in some CLI.
The configuration web server could be without the more advanced oprions.
But then: why not use options that kind of doubles the performance
compared to competitors?

Are the raid 1+0 and md raid10 options available via some ssh
or other CLI access mechanisms? I know on routers, there are
normally a CLI interface.

Furthermore, Linux has a good penetration in the server market.
And I think most people would run servers with raids, if they do
something serious. So Linux RAID should be more than 1 %, at least
in the server market.

Best regards
keld
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  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-04 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-31  9:41 What's the typical RAID10 setup? Mathias Burén
2011-01-31 10:14 ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 10:22   ` Mathias Burén
2011-01-31 10:36 ` CoolCold
2011-01-31 15:00   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:21     ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 15:27       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:28         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:32           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:34             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:37               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:45             ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 16:55         ` Denis
2011-01-31 17:31           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 18:35             ` Denis
2011-01-31 19:15               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 19:28                 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 19:35                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 19:37                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 20:22                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 20:17                   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-01-31 20:37                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 21:20                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 21:24                         ` Mathias Burén
2011-01-31 21:27                           ` Jon Nelson
2011-01-31 21:47                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 21:51                               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:50                                 ` NeilBrown
2011-01-31 22:53                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 23:10                                     ` NeilBrown
2011-01-31 23:14                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:52                               ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-01-31 23:00                                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 10:01                                 ` David Brown
2011-02-01 13:50                                   ` Jon Nelson
2011-02-01 14:25                                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 14:48                                     ` David Brown
2011-02-01 15:41                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03  3:36                                         ` Drew
2011-02-03  8:18                                           ` Stan Hoeppner
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2011-02-03 14:35                                               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 15:43                                                 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 15:50                                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 15:54                                                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 16:02                                                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 16:07                                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 16:16                                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 22:05                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-01 23:12                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02  9:25                                         ` Robin Hill
2011-02-02 16:00                                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:06                                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:07                                               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:10                                                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 16:13                                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 19:44                                                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-02 20:28                                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 21:31                                                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-02 22:13                                                         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-02 22:26                                                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03  1:57                                                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03  3:05                                                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-03  3:13                                                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03  3:17                                                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 23:35                                       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 16:02                                   ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 16:24                                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 17:56                                       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 18:09                                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 20:16                                           ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 20:32                                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-01 20:58                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 21:04                                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01 21:18                                     ` David Brown
2011-02-01  0:58                             ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-01 12:50                               ` Roman Mamedov
2011-02-03 11:04                               ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 14:17                                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 15:54                                   ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 18:39                                     ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-03 18:41                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-03 23:43                                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04  3:49                                   ` hansbkk
2011-02-04  7:06                                   ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04  8:27                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04  9:06                                       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 10:04                                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 11:15                                           ` hansbkk
2011-02-04 13:33                                             ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 20:35                                           ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 20:42                                         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 21:15                                           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 22:05                                             ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-04 23:03                                               ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-06  3:59                                                 ` Drew
2011-02-06  4:27                                                   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 11:34                                       ` David Brown
2011-02-04 13:53                                         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen [this message]
2011-02-04 14:17                                           ` David Brown
2011-02-04 14:21                                           ` hansbkk
2011-02-06  4:02                                             ` Drew
2011-02-06  7:58                                               ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-06 12:03                                                 ` Roman Mamedov
2011-02-06 14:30                                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-01  8:46                             ` hansbkk
2011-01-31 19:37               ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 19:41                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 19:46                   ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 19:53                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:10                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 22:14                         ` Denis
2011-01-31 22:33                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 22:36                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 20:23                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-01-31 21:59                   ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31 22:08                     ` Jon Nelson
2011-01-31 22:38                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-01 10:05                         ` David Brown
2011-02-01  9:20                     ` Robin Hill
2011-02-04 16:03                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-04 16:22                         ` Robin Hill
2011-02-04 20:35                           ` [OT] " Phil Turmel
2011-02-04 20:35                           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-04 21:05                           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-04 21:13                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-01-31 15:30       ` Robin Hill
2011-01-31 20:07 ` Stan Hoeppner

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