From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Roman Mamedov <rm@romanrm.ru>
Cc: Joe Landman <joe.landman@gmail.com>, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: md road-map: 2011
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:59:24 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110217085924.01cdf22c@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110217024402.1dd44267@natsu>
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 02:44:02 +0500 Roman Mamedov <rm@romanrm.ru> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:24:12 +1100
> NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
>
> > "read/write/compare checksum" is not a lot of words so I may well not be
> > understanding exactly what you mean, but I guess you are suggesting that we
> > could store (say) a 64bit hash of each 4K block somewhere.
> > e.g. Use 513 4K blocks to store 512 4K blocks of data with checksums.
> > When reading a block, read the checksum too and report an error if they
> > don't match. When writing the block, calculate and write the checksum too.
> >
> > This is already done by the disk drive - I'm not sure what you hope to gain
> > by doing it in the RAID layer as well.
>
> Consider RAID1/RAID10/RAID5/RAID6, where one or more members are returning bad
> data for some reason (e.g. are failing or have written garbage to disk during
> a sudden power loss). Having per-block checksums would allow to determine
> which members have correct data and which do not, and would help the RAID
> layer recover from that situation in the smartest way possible (with absolutely
> no loss or corruption of the user data).
>
Why do you think that md would be able to reliably write consistent data and
checksum to a device in a circumstance (power failure) where the hard drive
is not able to do it itelf?
i.e. I would need to see a clear threat-model which can cause data corruption
that the hard drive itself would not be able to reliably report, but that
checksums provided by md would be able to reliably report.
Powerfail does not qualify (without sophisticated journalling on the part of
md).
NeilBrown
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-02-16 10:27 md road-map: 2011 NeilBrown
2011-02-16 11:28 ` Giovanni Tessore
2011-02-16 13:40 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-16 14:00 ` Robin Hill
2011-02-16 14:09 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-16 14:21 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-16 21:55 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-17 1:30 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-16 14:13 ` Joe Landman
2011-02-16 21:24 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-16 21:44 ` Roman Mamedov
2011-02-16 21:59 ` NeilBrown [this message]
2011-02-17 0:48 ` Phil Turmel
2011-02-16 22:12 ` Joe Landman
2011-02-16 15:42 ` David Brown
2011-02-16 21:35 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-16 22:34 ` David Brown
2011-02-16 23:01 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-17 0:30 ` David Brown
2011-02-17 0:55 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-17 1:04 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-17 10:45 ` David Brown
2011-02-17 10:58 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-17 11:45 ` Giovanni Tessore
2011-02-17 15:44 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-17 16:22 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-18 0:13 ` Giovanni Tessore
2011-02-18 2:56 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-18 4:27 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-18 9:47 ` Giovanni Tessore
2011-02-18 18:43 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-18 19:00 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-18 19:18 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-18 19:22 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-16 17:20 ` Joe Landman
2011-02-16 21:36 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-16 19:37 ` Phil Turmel
2011-02-16 21:44 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-17 0:11 ` Phil Turmel
2011-02-16 20:29 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2011-02-16 21:48 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-16 22:53 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2011-02-17 0:24 ` Phil Turmel
2011-02-17 0:52 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-17 1:14 ` Phil Turmel
2011-02-17 3:10 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-17 18:46 ` Phil Turmel
2011-02-17 21:04 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2011-02-18 1:48 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-17 19:56 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2011-02-16 22:50 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-23 5:06 ` Daniel Reurich
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