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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Jens Axboe <jaxboe@fusionio.com>
Cc: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"linux-raid@vger.kernel.org" <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/10] block: remove per-queue plugging
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:05:05 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110411220505.1028816e@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DA2E7F0.9010904@fusionio.com>

On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:37:20 +0200 Jens Axboe <jaxboe@fusionio.com> wrote:

> On 2011-04-11 13:26, NeilBrown wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:04:26 +0200 Jens Axboe <jaxboe@fusionio.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure one of us is missing something (probably both) but I'm not
> >>> sure what.
> >>>
> >>> The callback is central.
> >>>
> >>> It is simply to use plugging in md.
> >>> Just like blk-core, md will notice that a blk_plug is active and will put
> >>> requests aside.  I then need something to call in to md when blk_finish_plug
> >>
> >> But this is done in __make_request(), so md devices should not be
> >> affected at all. This is the part of your explanation that I do not
> >> connect with the code.
> >>
> >> If md itself is putting things on the plug list, why is it doing that?
> > 
> > Yes.  Exactly.  md itself want to put things aside on some list.
> > e.g. in RAID1 when using a write-intent bitmap I want to gather as many write
> > requests as possible so I can update the bits for all of them at once.
> > So when a plug is in effect I just queue the bios somewhere and record the
> > bits that need to be set.
> > Then when the unplug happens I write out the bitmap updates in a single write
> > and when that completes, I write out the data (to all devices).
> > 
> > Also in RAID5 it is good if I can wait for lots of write request to arrive
> > before committing any of them to increase the possibility of getting a
> > full-stripe write.
> > 
> > Previously I used ->unplug_fn to release the queued requests.  Now that has
> > gone I need a different way to register a callback when an unplug happens.
> 
> Ah, so this is what I was hinting at. But why use the task->plug for
> that? Seems a bit counter intuitive. Why can't you just store these
> internally?
> 
> > 
> >>
> >>> is called so that put-aside requests can be released.
> >>> As md can be built as a module, that call must be a call-back of some sort.
> >>> blk-core doesn't need to register blk_plug_flush because that is never in a
> >>> module, so it can be called directly.  But the md equivalent could be in a
> >>> module, so I need to be able to register a call back.
> >>>
> >>> Does that help? 
> >>
> >> Not really. Is the problem that _you_ would like to stash things aside,
> >> not the fact that __make_request() puts things on a task plug list?
> >>
> > 
> > Yes, exactly.  I (in md) want to stash things aside.
> > 
> > (I don't actually put the stashed things on the blk_plug, though it might
> > make sense to do that later in some cases - I'm not sure.  Currently I stash
> > things in my own internal lists and just need a call back to say "ok, flush
> > those lists now").
> 
> So we are making some progress... The thing I then don't understand is
> why you want to make it associated with the plug? Seems you don't have
> any scheduling restrictions, and in which case just storing them in md
> seems like a much better option.
> 

Yes.  But I need to know when to release the requests that I have stored.
I need to know when ->write_pages or ->read_pages or whatever has finished
submitting a pile of pages so that I can start processing the request that I
have put aside.  So I need a callback from blk_finish_plug.

(and I also need to know if a thread that was plugging schedules for the same
reason that you do).

NeilBrown



  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-11 12:05 UTC|newest]

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2011-04-11  4:50                   ` [PATCH 05/10] block: remove per-queue plugging NeilBrown
2011-04-11  9:19                     ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-11 10:59                       ` NeilBrown
2011-04-11 11:04                         ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-11 11:26                           ` NeilBrown
2011-04-11 11:37                             ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-11 12:05                               ` NeilBrown [this message]
2011-04-11 12:11                                 ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-11 12:36                                   ` NeilBrown
2011-04-11 12:48                                     ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12  1:12                                       ` hch
2011-04-12  8:36                                         ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12 12:22                                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-12 12:28                                             ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12 12:41                                               ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-12 12:58                                                 ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12 13:31                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-12 13:45                                                     ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12 14:34                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-12 21:08                                                         ` NeilBrown
2011-04-13  2:23                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-04-13 11:12                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-13 11:23                                                               ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-13 11:41                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-13 15:13                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-04-13 17:35                                                                   ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12 16:58                                                     ` hch
2011-04-12 17:29                                                       ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12 16:44                                                   ` hch
2011-04-12 16:49                                                     ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12 16:54                                                       ` hch
2011-04-12 17:24                                                         ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12 13:40                                               ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-12 13:48                                                 ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-12 23:35                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-12 16:50                                           ` hch
2011-04-15  4:26                                   ` hch
2011-04-15  6:34                                     ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-17 22:19                                   ` NeilBrown
2011-04-18  4:19                                     ` NeilBrown
2011-04-18  6:38                                     ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-18  7:25                                       ` NeilBrown
2011-04-18  8:10                                         ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-18  8:33                                           ` NeilBrown
2011-04-18  8:42                                             ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-18 21:23                                             ` hch
2011-04-18 21:30                                             ` hch
2011-04-18 22:38                                               ` NeilBrown
2011-04-20 10:55                                                 ` hch
2011-04-18  9:19                                           ` hch
2011-04-18  9:40                                             ` [dm-devel] " Hannes Reinecke
2011-04-18  9:47                                               ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-18  9:46                                             ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-11 11:55                         ` NeilBrown
2011-04-11 12:12                           ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-11 22:58                             ` hch
2011-04-12  6:20                               ` Jens Axboe
2011-04-11 16:59                     ` hch
2011-04-11 21:14                       ` NeilBrown
2011-04-11 22:59                         ` hch
2011-04-12  6:18                         ` Jens Axboe

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