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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: keld@keldix.com
Cc: Brassow Jonathan <jbrassow@redhat.com>,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, agk@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] DM RAID: Add support for MD RAID10
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:27:17 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120713112717.3b15647c@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120713011505.GA3099@www5.open-std.org>

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:15:05 +0200 keld@keldix.com wrote:

> I think the layout you described should not be promoted at all,
> and only kept for backward compatibility. As there is no backward 
> compatibility in your case I think it is an error to implement it.
> I understand that you do not reuse any of the MD code here?

Not correct.  The whole point of this exercise is to reuse md code.


> The flaw is worse than Neil described, as far as I understand.
> With n=2 you can in the current implementation only have 1 disk failing,
> for any numbers of drives in the array. With the suggested layout
> then for 4 drives you have the probability of surviving 66 % 
> of 2 drives failing. This get even better for 6, 8 .. disks in the array.
> And you may even survive 3 or more disk failures, dependent on the number
> of drives employed. The probability is the same as  for raid-1+0

Also not correct.  You can certainly have more than one failed device
providing you don't have 'n' adjacent devices all failed.
So e.g. if you have 2 drives in a far-2 layout then you can survive the
failure of three devices if they are 0,2,4 or 1,3,5.


> 
> > When it is available to MD, I'll make it available to dm-raid also.
> 
> Please dont implement it in the flawed  way. It will just create a number of problems
> for when to switch over and convert between the two formats, and then which should
> be the default (I fear some would say the old flawed should be the default), and we need
> to explain the two formats and implement two sets of repairs and so on.

This "flawed" arrangement is the only one that makes sense for an odd number
of devices (assuming 2 copies).

NeilBrown

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-13  1:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-12  1:36 [PATCH v2] DM RAID: Add support for MD RAID10 Jonathan Brassow
2012-07-12  6:32 ` NeilBrown
2012-07-12  9:56   ` Alasdair G Kergon
2012-07-12 11:43     ` NeilBrown
2012-07-16 22:06   ` Brassow Jonathan
2012-07-17  2:34     ` NeilBrown
2012-07-17 16:15       ` Brassow Jonathan
2012-07-18  1:11         ` NeilBrown
2012-07-18 14:45           ` Brassow Jonathan
2012-07-12 16:22 ` keld
2012-07-12 19:00   ` Brassow Jonathan
2012-07-13  1:15     ` keld
2012-07-13  1:27       ` NeilBrown [this message]
2012-07-13  8:29         ` keld
2012-07-16  6:14           ` NeilBrown
2012-07-16  8:28             ` keld
2012-07-16 22:53               ` Brassow Jonathan
2012-07-17  2:29                 ` NeilBrown
2012-07-17 20:30                   ` Brassow Jonathan
2012-07-17  2:40               ` NeilBrown
2012-07-18  7:20                 ` keld

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