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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com>
Cc: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>,
	Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	Miquel van Smoorenburg <mikevs@xs4all.net>,
	Linux RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML@dastard
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT to md raid 6 is slow
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:19:51 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120820051951.GC19235@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5031C0A9.60803@hardwarefreak.com>

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:44:25PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> I'm copying Dave C. as he apparently misunderstood the behavior of
> md/RAID6 as well.  My statement was based largely on Dave's information.
>  See [1] below.

Not sure what I'm supposed to have misunderstood...

> On 8/19/2012 7:01 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:34:28 -0500 Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com>
> > wrote:
> 
> > Since we are trying to set the record straight....
> 
> Thank you for finally jumping in Neil--had hoped to see your
> authoritative information sooner.
> 
> > md/RAID6 must read all data devices (i.e. not parity devices) which it is not
> > going to write to, in an RWM cycle (which the code actually calls RCW -
> > reconstruct-write).

That's a RMW cycle from an IO point of view. i.e. sycnhronous read
must take place before the data can be modified and written...

> > md/RAID5 uses an alternate mechanism when the number of data blocks that need
> > to be written is less than half the number of data blocks in a stripe.  In
> > this alternate mechansim (which the code calls RMW - read-modify-write),
> > md/RAID5 reads all the blocks that it is about to write to, plus the parity
> > block.  It then computes the new parity and writes it out along with the new
> > data.

And by the same definition, that's also a RMW cycle.

> >> [1}The only thing that's not clear at this point is if md/RAID6 also
> >> always writes back all chunks during RMW, or only the chunk that has
> >> changed.
> 
> > Do you seriously imagine anyone would write code to write out data which it
> > is known has not changed?  Sad. :-)

Two words: media scrubbing.

> On 6/25/2012 9:30 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > IOWs, every time you do a small isolated write, the MD RAID volume
> > will do a RMW cycle, reading 11MB and writing 12MB of data to disk.

Oh, you're probably complaining about that write number.  All I was
trying to do was demonstrate what a worst case RMW cycle looks like.
So by the above, that occurs when you have a same isolated write to
each chunk of the stripe. A single write is read 11MB, write 1.5MB
(data + 2 parity). It doesn't really change the IO latency or load,
though, you've still got the same read-all, modify, write-multiple
IO pattern....

> > Given that most workloads are not doing lots and lots of large
> > sequential writes this is, IMO, a pretty bad default given typical
> > RAID5/6 volume configurations we see....

Either way, the point I was making in the original post stands -
RAID6 sucks balls for most workloads as they only do small writes in
comparison to the stripe width of the volume....

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-20  5:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-15  0:49 O_DIRECT to md raid 6 is slow Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-15  1:07 ` kedacomkernel
2012-08-15  1:12   ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-15  1:23     ` kedacomkernel
2012-08-15 11:50 ` John Robinson
2012-08-15 17:57   ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-15 22:00     ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-15 22:10       ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-15 23:50         ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-16  1:08           ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-16  6:41           ` Roman Mamedov
     [not found]     ` <201208152307.q7FN7hMR008630@xs8.xs4all.nl>
     [not found]       ` <502CD3F8.70001@hardwarefreak.com>
     [not found]         ` <502D6B0A.6090508@xs4all.net>
     [not found]           ` <502DF357.8090205@hardwarefreak.com>
     [not found]             ` <502E2817.8040306@xs4all.net>
2012-08-18  5:09               ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-18 10:08                 ` Michael Tokarev
2012-08-19  3:17                   ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-19 14:01                     ` David Brown
2012-08-19 23:34                       ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-20  0:01                         ` NeilBrown
2012-08-20  4:44                           ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-20  5:19                             ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2012-08-20  5:42                               ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-20  7:47                           ` David Brown
2012-08-21 14:51                         ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2012-08-22  3:59                           ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-19 17:02                     ` Chris Murphy

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