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From: Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Multiple SSDs - RAID-1, -10, or stacked? TRIM?
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:37:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131010203750.GV1779@bitfolk.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5256701C.3090807@hardwarefreak.com>

Hi Stan,

(Thanks everyone else who's responded so far, too -- I'm paying
attention with interest)

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 04:15:08AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 10/9/2013 7:31 AM, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Are there any gotchas to be aware of? I haven't much experience with
> > SSDs.
> 
> Yes, there is one major gotcha WRT md/RAID and SSDs, which to this point
> nobody has mentioned in this thread, possibly because it pertains to
> writes, not reads.  Note my question posed to you up above.  Since I've
> answered this question in detail at least a dozen times on this mailing
> list, I'll simply refer you to one of my recent archived posts for the
> details:
> 
> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.raid/43984

When I first read that link I thought perhaps you were referring to
write performance dropping off a cliff due to SSD garbage caching
routines that kicked in, but then I read the rest of the thread and
I think maybe you were hinting at the single write thread issue you
talk about more in:

    http://www.spinics.net/lists/raid/msg44211.html

Is that the case?

> To be clear, the need for careful directory/file layout to achieve
> parallel throughput pertains only to the linear concatenation storage
> architecture described above.  If one is using XFS atop a striped array
> then throughput, either sequential or parallel, is -not- limited by
> file/dir placement across the AGs, as all AGs are striped across the disks.

So, in summary do you recommend the stacked RAID-0 on top of RAID-1
pairs instead of a RAID-10, where write performance may otherwise be
bottlenecked by md's single write thread?

Write ops are a fraction of the random reads and using RAID with a
battery-backed write cache solved that problem, but it does need to
scale linearly with whatever improvement we can get for the read
ops, so I would think it will still be something worth thinking
about, so thanks for pointing that out.

Thanks,
Andy

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-10 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-09 12:31 Multiple SSDs - RAID-1, -10, or stacked? TRIM? Andy Smith
2013-10-09 13:00 ` Roberto Spadim
2013-10-09 13:27 ` David Brown
2013-10-09 13:52   ` Roberto Spadim
2013-10-09 14:46 ` Ian Pilcher
2013-10-09 16:21   ` David Brown
2013-10-09 17:33     ` Ian Pilcher
2013-10-09 18:04       ` Roberto Spadim
2013-10-09 19:08       ` David Brown
2013-10-09 20:35         ` SSD reliability; was: " Matt Garman
2013-10-09 21:17           ` David Brown
2013-10-09 21:46           ` Brian Candler
2013-10-10  6:14     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2013-10-10 16:18     ` Art -kwaak- van Breemen
2013-10-10  9:15 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-10-10 20:37   ` Andy Smith [this message]
2013-10-11  8:30     ` David Brown
2013-10-11  9:37     ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-10-11  8:42 ` David Brown
2013-10-11 11:00   ` Art -kwaak- van Breemen

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