From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Roman Mamedov Subject: Re: Why 4k native drives haven't arrived Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 02:25:51 +0600 Message-ID: <20140113022551.656b95e1@natsu> References: <38C8AAEB-811B-442F-BA80-1EFAF00BADB1@colorremedies.com> <6AACF77C-5D54-4ABF-AA2D-FC3F4F1E141C@colorremedies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/f9+VBdTwMH+pD=BE8iFoA8."; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-raid-owner@vger.kernel.org To: Chris Murphy Cc: Linux RAID Mailing List , "Martin K. Petersen" List-Id: linux-raid.ids --Sig_/f9+VBdTwMH+pD=BE8iFoA8. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 12:04:53 -0700 Chris Murphy wrote: >=20 > On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:32 AM, "Martin K. Petersen" wrote: >=20 > >>>>>> "Chris" =3D=3D Chris Murphy writes: > >=20 > > Chris> I think this is a pretty craptastic thing for a vendor to do to > > Chris> users. It doesn't matter that the overwhelming majority will buy > > Chris> the product as a unit, and never remove it. It means some users > > Chris> will need esoteric knowledge to recover their own data, a > > Chris> recovery from data loss that's induced by ill conceived product > > Chris> behavior. > >=20 > > Removing the physical drive from the USB enclosure is getting pretty far > > away from "intended purpose". >=20 > It's common enough that it's predictable that a significant minority user= s will get into trouble with a product of this type. That even Mac users ar= e pulling drives out of enclosures, for reasons other than troubleshooting,= further demonstrates that it's not at all uncommon practice. =46rom what I remember reading about these drives, some of the newer ones are just USB-only. There is no "enclosure" to speak of, that you could remove a= nd then simply plug the drive into SATA. It may be still possible, but certain= ly not easy: http://www.datarecoverytools.co.uk/2010/05/05/how-to-connect-and-recover-us= b-only-western-digital-drives-with-hd-doctor-suite/ It does make sense for the manufacturers to roll-out these lesser-compatible features on such USB-only drives first. Another instance where that was the case, is the first 3 TB drives. They can manufacture and sell those with confidence, knowing that no one will try to use the drive plugged directly = into their Windows XP PC with a 10-year-old BIOS. --=20 With respect, Roman --Sig_/f9+VBdTwMH+pD=BE8iFoA8. Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlLS+k8ACgkQTLKSvz+PZwiUKwCeJlBAKDZPOxGJ3p+F4++ksRfp 5aIAn250Le2BE9ENzZ46j9WpekHohxxo =mO+L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/f9+VBdTwMH+pD=BE8iFoA8.--