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From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: RFC: always use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES for zeroing offload
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 10:03:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170327140307.GA13020@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170327091056.GB6879-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Mar 27 2017 at  5:10am -0400,
Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> It sounds like you don't want to support traditional discard at all,
> but only WRITE ZEROES.  So in many ways this series is the right way
> forward.  It would be nice if we could do a full blown
> REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES for dm_think that zeroes out partial blocks,
> similar to what hardware that implements WRITE SAME of zeroes
> or WRITE ZEROES would do.  I'll see if I could include that in my
> series.

By "you" I assume you're referring to Lars?  Lars' approach for discard,
when drbd is layered on dm-thinp, feels over-engineered.  Not his fault,
the way discard and zeroing got conflated certainly lends itself to
these ugly hacks.  SO I do appreciate that for anything to leverage
discard_zeroes_data it needs to be reliable.  Which runs counter to how
discard was implemented (discard may get silently dropped!)  But that is
why dm-thinp doesn't advertise dzd.  Anyway...

As for the blkdev_issue_zeroout() resorting to manually zeroing the
range, if the discard fails or dzd not supported, that certainly
requires DM thinp to implement manual zeroing of the head and tail of
the range if partial blocks are being zeroed.  So I welcome any advances
there.  It is probably something that is best left to Joe or myself to
tackle.  But I'll gladly accept patches ;)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-27 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-23 14:33 RFC: always use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES for zeroing offload Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 01/23] block: renumber REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 16:12   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1490717553.2573.4.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30  8:53       ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 02/23] block: implement splitting of REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES bios Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 03/23] sd: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 18:50   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1490726988.2573.16.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-28 19:33       ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-30  2:25       ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-29 14:51     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-29 16:28       ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 16:53         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 04/23] md: support REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 05/23] dm: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 06/23] dm-kcopyd: switch to use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:55   ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-23 14:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 15:10       ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-27  9:12         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 07/23] block: stop using blkdev_issue_write_same for zeroing Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 08/23] block: add a flags argument to (__)blkdev_issue_zeroout Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 09/23] block: add a REQ_UNMAP flag for REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 10/23] block: add a new BLKDEV_ZERO_NOFALLBACK flag Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 11/23] block_dev: use blkdev_issue_zerout for hole punches Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 16:50   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1490719834.2573.9.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30  8:59       ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 12/23] sd: handle REQ_UNMAP Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <20170323143341.31549-13-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-28 16:48     ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 14:57       ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]       ` <1490719722.2573.8.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30  9:02         ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
     [not found]           ` <20170330090201.GD12015-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:28             ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 17:30               ` hch
     [not found]                 ` <20170330173020.GB24229-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  2:19                   ` Martin K. Petersen
     [not found]                     ` <yq17f36yypg.fsf-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  7:18                       ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 13/23] nvme: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 14/23] zram: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 15/23] loop: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 16/23] brd: remove discard support Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 17/23] rbd: remove the discard_zeroes_data flag Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 18/23] rsxx: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 19/23] mmc: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 20/23] block: stop using discards for zeroing Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 21/23] drbd: make intelligent use of blkdev_issue_zeroout Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 22/23] drbd: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <20170323143341.31549-23-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 10:06     ` Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-30 11:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-30 12:50         ` [Drbd-dev] " Lars Ellenberg
     [not found]         ` <20170330114408.GA15777-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 13:49           ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]             ` <20170330134957.GA508-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:20               ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 23:15                 ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]                   ` <20170330231550.GA3102-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  2:34                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-31  7:17                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 23/23] block: remove the discard_zeroes_data flag Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 17:00   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 14:52     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-30  9:06     ` hch
     [not found]       ` <20170330090655.GF12015-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:29         ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 17:29           ` hch
     [not found] ` <20170323143341.31549-1-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-23 15:54   ` RFC: always use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES for zeroing offload Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-23 17:02     ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]       ` <20170323170221.GA20854-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-23 22:53         ` Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-29 14:57           ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]     ` <20170323155410.GD1138-w1SgEEioFePxa46PmUWvFg@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-27  9:10       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20170327091056.GB6879-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-27 14:03           ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
     [not found]             ` <20170327140307.GA13020-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-27 14:57               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27 15:08             ` [Drbd-dev] " Bart Van Assche
2017-03-30  9:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-30 15:12 ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-30 15:22   ` Martin K. Petersen
     [not found]     ` <yq1lgrm3i36.fsf-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:38       ` Mike Snitzer

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