From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: axboe@kernel.dk, sagi@grimberg.me, kbusch@kernel.org,
song@kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] block: remove the per-bio/request write hint
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2022 08:40:56 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220305214056.GO3927073@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220305051929.GA24696@lst.de>
On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 06:19:29AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 09:12:55AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > AFAICT, all the filesystem/IO path passthrough plumbing for hints is
> > now gone, and no hardware will ever receive hints. Doesn't this
> > mean that file_write_hint(), file->f_write_hint and iocb->ki_hint
> > are now completely unused, too?
>
> No, for the reason tha you state below. f2fs still uses it.
My point is that f2fs uses i_write_hint, not f_write_hint or
ki_hint. IOWs, nothing in the IO path use the iocb or file write
hints anymore because they only ever got used to set the hint for
bios. It's now unused information.
According to the io_uring ppl, setup of unnecessary fields in the
iocb has a measurable cost and they've done work to minimise it in
the past. So if these fields are not actually used by anyone in the
IO path, why should we still pay the cost calling
ki_hint_validate(file_write_hint(file)) when setting up an iocb?
> > AFAICT, this patch leaves just the f2fs allocator usage of
> > inode->i_rw_hint to select a segment to allocate from as the
> > remaining consumer of this entire plumbing and user API. Is that
> > used by applications anywhere, or can that be removed and so the
> > rest of the infrastructure get removed and the fcntl()s no-op'd or
> > -EOPNOTSUPP?
>
> I was told it is used quite heavily in android.
So it's primarily used by out of tree code? And that after this
patch, there's really no way to test that this API does anything
useful at all?
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-05 21:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-03-04 17:55 [PATCH 1/2] nvme: remove support or stream based temperature hint Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-04 17:55 ` [PATCH 2/2] block: remove the per-bio/request write hint Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-04 19:24 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-04 22:12 ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-05 5:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-05 6:09 ` Number of parity disks Kengo.M
2022-03-05 8:56 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2022-03-05 21:40 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2022-03-05 23:55 ` [PATCH 2/2] block: remove the per-bio/request write hint Bart Van Assche
2022-03-06 17:11 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-06 18:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-06 18:06 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-06 23:17 ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-09 13:31 ` Manjong Lee
2022-03-09 8:24 ` Paul Menzel
2022-03-10 11:34 ` [EXT] " Luca Porzio (lporzio)
2022-03-10 12:15 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-10 18:50 ` Luca Porzio (lporzio)
2022-03-10 19:10 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-10 19:34 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-03-10 21:52 ` Bean Huo (beanhuo)
2022-03-10 22:10 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-11 16:45 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-03-11 16:56 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-14 7:40 ` Avi Shchislowski
2022-03-14 8:00 ` hch
2022-03-14 19:50 ` Eric Biggers
2022-03-14 19:58 ` [EXT] " Jens Axboe
2022-03-15 15:36 ` Luca Porzio (lporzio)
2022-03-15 15:44 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-10 22:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-03-11 5:31 ` Eric Biggers
2022-03-11 9:21 ` Luca Porzio (lporzio)
2022-03-10 14:21 ` hch
2022-03-10 18:51 ` Luca Porzio (lporzio)
2022-03-10 19:14 ` hch
2022-03-11 5:06 ` Eric Biggers
2022-03-11 9:23 ` Luca Porzio (lporzio)
2022-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH 1/2] nvme: remove support or stream based temperature hint Keith Busch
2022-03-04 19:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-04 19:38 ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-04 20:20 ` Jens Axboe
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