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From: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk <roy@karlsbakk.net>
To: Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com>
Cc: Linux Raid <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Checksumming RAID?
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:18:15 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31757832.29.1354130295835.JavaMail.root@zimbra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <952F7343-6478-417E-BA06-D1B0E36519E0@colorremedies.com>

> > That doesn't make sense. Nearline and enterprise drives are large
> > 7k2 drives that come in consumer and enterprise models,
> 
> Nearline drives are in between consumer and enterprise.

Well, they are named enterprise…

> > Comparing "nearline" and "enterprise" like done here, is merely a
> > comparison of small and large drives, where it's well known that the
> > smaller (less dense) drives have less errors.
> 
> The paper I cited doesn't support this. The nearline SATA with
> hardware adapters to convert the interface to fibre channel. The
> enterprise drives were already fibre channel. The paper discusses the
> contribution of the adapter to checksum mismatches, but this alone
> doesn't account for all of the higher rate of error in nearline SATA.

7k2 "nearline" SAS drives exist from several vendors, with SAS interfaces without the need for adapters. Also, the interface, wheather SAS or SATA or FC, doesn't really mean much when the drive is the same. SAS (and FC?) has better timing and better controllers, but a SAS drive is a SAS drive nonetheless if it has a SAS interface.

> Further, the paper says "There is no clear indication that disk size
> affects the probability of developing checksum mis- matches."
> 
> At least when it comes to URE (which is not SDC), we note that the
> manufacturer specs are the same for a model regardless of disk size.

Then, if this is true, perhaps they should name their 4TB drives something else than "enterprise", which they do. Do you have more references on this part?

Vennlige hilsener / Best regards

roy
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-28 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-26 13:27 Checksumming RAID? Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27  9:45 ` David Brown
2012-11-27 10:17   ` Bernd Schubert
2012-11-27 11:20     ` David Brown
2012-11-27 11:39       ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27 12:37         ` David Brown
2012-11-27 13:09           ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27 13:20             ` David Brown
2012-11-27 13:56               ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27 14:34                 ` David Brown
2012-11-27 20:49           ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-11-28 10:58             ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27 12:31       ` Bernd Schubert
2012-11-27 13:05         ` David Brown
2012-11-27 18:53           ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-27 19:27             ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27 19:50               ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-28 10:56                 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-28 10:59                   ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-28 13:25                   ` Drew
2012-11-28 17:51                     ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-28 19:16                       ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-28 19:08                   ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-28 19:18                     ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [this message]
2012-11-28 20:02                       ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-27 13:54       ` Joe Landman
2012-11-27 18:48   ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-27 19:36     ` Chris Murphy
2012-12-03 12:24 ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2012-12-03 14:09   ` Checksumming RAID? / SCSI SAS T10 PI and DIF/DIX / T13 SATA EPP Pasi Kärkkäinen
2012-12-05 19:05     ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-12-06 11:10       ` John Robinson

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