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From: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk <roy@karlsbakk.net>
To: stan@hardwarefreak.com
Cc: Linux Raid <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>,
	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Subject: Re: Checksumming RAID?
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:58:01 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <32402494.9.1354100281894.JavaMail.root@zimbra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50B52740.5000201@hardwarefreak.com>

> > To do checksumming (and in particular, recovery), requires higher
> > level
> > knowledge of the data. The filesystem can track when it writes a
> > file,
> > and update metadata (including, if desired, a data checksum) once it
> > knows the file is correctly stored. But I don't think it can
> > sensibly
> > be done at the block device level - the recovery procedure doesn't
> > know
> > what is old data, what is new data, or which bit is important to the
> > filesystem.
> >
> > So I think it can make sense to use a filesystem like ZFS or BTRFS
> > that
> > can do checksumming - that is a reasonable level to add the
> > checksum.
> 
> You'll see CRC in XFS in the future as well. Some of the foundation is
> already laid to allow it, but IIRC it requires an on disk format
> change
> for full implementation. On disk format changes are a big deal and are
> taken with great care. IIRC XFS has only seen one or two in 18 years.

I'm afraid that won't help much either, since it'll only allow for *detecting* the errors, and not *fixing* them (as with ZFS and Btrfs). Or perhaps if XFS can integrate with MD somehow?

Vennlige hilsener / Best regards

roy
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-28 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-26 13:27 Checksumming RAID? Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27  9:45 ` David Brown
2012-11-27 10:17   ` Bernd Schubert
2012-11-27 11:20     ` David Brown
2012-11-27 11:39       ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27 12:37         ` David Brown
2012-11-27 13:09           ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27 13:20             ` David Brown
2012-11-27 13:56               ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27 14:34                 ` David Brown
2012-11-27 20:49           ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-11-28 10:58             ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [this message]
2012-11-27 12:31       ` Bernd Schubert
2012-11-27 13:05         ` David Brown
2012-11-27 18:53           ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-27 19:27             ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-27 19:50               ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-28 10:56                 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-28 10:59                   ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-28 13:25                   ` Drew
2012-11-28 17:51                     ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-28 19:16                       ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-28 19:08                   ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-28 19:18                     ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2012-11-28 20:02                       ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-27 13:54       ` Joe Landman
2012-11-27 18:48   ` Chris Murphy
2012-11-27 19:36     ` Chris Murphy
2012-12-03 12:24 ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2012-12-03 14:09   ` Checksumming RAID? / SCSI SAS T10 PI and DIF/DIX / T13 SATA EPP Pasi Kärkkäinen
2012-12-05 19:05     ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-12-06 11:10       ` John Robinson

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