linux-raid.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Herman Oosthuysen <Herman@WirelessNetworksInc.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RAID backup
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:51:17 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D9DE325.8070504@WirelessNetworksInc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20021004171116.C31015@flint.arm.linux.org.uk

Yep, a constant lowish temperature will also help a little, but I 
honestly think that in storage, a disk drive bearing will seize due to 
corrosion and lack of movement, before the electronics will fail.  You 
can prevent bearing (and capacitor) problems by starting the drive up 
every 6 months for a while though.

The effects of long term storage is experienced with military equipment, 
which frequently have to stay in storage for 40 or 50 years without ever 
really being used.  The stuff in storage has to be cycled through the 
workshops to keep them operational, which is part of the high cost of peace.

If disk drives are used for backup purposes, then I would suggest that 
they are rotated, so that they all remain in occational use, which 
should help to keep them alive.  Of course, the first thing to fail, 
would be the connector of the removable drive bay and there is nothing 
you can do about that, except to make sure that the connectors are gold 
plated to begin with.

I don't think that people have to worry too much about transportation 
vibration and shock to/from an off-site storage facility.  These things 
are quite rugged when not spinning, so if you transport them in 
styrofoam boxes and don't drop them on the floor, they should be OK.

BTW, putting a drive in storage for 40 or 50 years is not recommended 
for another reason: Obsolecense.  In 40 or 50 years, you probably won't 
have a computer that can use these drives anymore!  So, the only way to 
keep data long term, is to rotate the media continuously and upgrade as 
new technology is introduced.

Cheers,

Herman
http://www.AerospaceSoftware.com

Russell King wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 09:31:26AM -0600, Herman Oosthuysen wrote:
> 
>>Self demagnetization used to be a problem of magnetic media and some 
>>components such as capacitors used to deteriorate with age, but I think 
>>that those problems have been solved decades ago, so equipment in clean 
>>and dry storage should last almost forever.
> 
> 
> You missed "stable temperature" as well.  Some capacitors still
> "dry out" with age and heat, even with todays technology.
> 

-- 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Herman Oosthuysen
B.Eng.(E), Member of IEEE
Wireless Networks Inc.
http://www.WirelessNetworksInc.com
E-mail: Herman@WirelessNetworksInc.com
Phone: 1.403.569-5687, Fax: 1.403.235-3964
------------------------------------------------------------------------



  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-04 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-03 11:20 RAID backup jbradford
2002-10-03 11:26 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-10-03 11:36   ` jbradford
2002-10-03 20:00   ` Kanoalani Withington
2002-10-03 23:59     ` Effrem Norwood
2002-10-04  8:00       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-04 10:25       ` Illtud Daniel
2002-10-04 11:12         ` jbradford
2002-10-04 11:20         ` Alvin Oga
2002-10-04 12:52           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-04 12:52             ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-10-04 13:24             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 14:07               ` Russell King
2002-10-04 17:15                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 21:45                 ` Alvin Oga
2002-10-04 14:32               ` Luca Berra
2002-10-04 15:13                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-04 15:31                 ` Herman Oosthuysen
2002-10-04 16:11                   ` Russell King
2002-10-04 18:51                     ` Herman Oosthuysen [this message]
2002-10-04 21:37             ` RAID backup - media Alvin Oga
2002-10-04 18:58         ` RAID backup Kanoalani Withington
2002-10-04 21:51           ` RAID backup - mtx w/ tcl Alvin Oga
2002-10-04 21:59             ` Effrem Norwood
2002-10-04 22:22             ` Kanoalani Withington
2002-10-05 12:30               ` Luca Berra
2002-10-09 21:54                 ` Kanoalani Withington
2002-10-10  1:39                   ` Alvin Oga
2002-10-03 11:27 ` RAID backup Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-10-03 13:40 ` Adam Luter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-04 17:04 Cress, Andrew R

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=3D9DE325.8070504@WirelessNetworksInc.com \
    --to=herman@wirelessnetworksinc.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-raid@vger.kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).