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From: Kanoalani Withington <kanoa@cfht.hawaii.edu>
To: Illtud Daniel <illtud.daniel@llgc.org.uk>
Cc: Effrem Norwood <enorwood@effrem.com>,
	Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk <roy@karlsbakk.net>,
	jbradford@dial.pipex.com, jakob@unthought.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RAID backup
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:58:46 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D9DE4E6.7070800@cfht.hawaii.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3D9D6C84.F1736E15@llgc.org.uk



Illtud Daniel wrote:

>Effrem Norwood wrote:
>
>>In addition, HSM software costs
>>something (even if you write it yourself) on top of the tape infrastructure.
>>One customer of ours was quoted 40K per TB of HSM *software* alone.
>>
>
>I've got 25TB uncompressed of HSM here, and it's cost us (ex VAT)
>roughly:
>
>£10k for the first 1.6TB (on NT, DLT library)
>£18k for the next  6.0TB (on NT, LTO library)
>£45k for the next 18.0TB (on Solaris, LTO Library)
>
>...for the software licencing alone. Plus about 10% pa. in support
>costs.
>You're looking at about 50-60% of the library cost for the HSM software
>to manage it (tapes are another thing). Is HSM really that difficult?
>
>It really is a racket, but it's not so much compared with the
>cost of re-producing the data (mainly digitized collections).
>I'd be happier about it if they were more reliable (libs and s/w).
>Disk arrays, on the other hand, would cost us a fortune in
>upgrading the cooling - we've had to do this once just because of
>the 3-4 TB of online storage we've got, and adding huge exchangers
>(and associated pipes) isn't something I want to do much of.
>
I agree it's a total racket. I've spent an appalling amount of money on 
this stuff over the years considering how simple it is. Last year I 
finally built mtx, the open source tape library driver, and wrote my own 
software in tcl scripts for a new archiving system. It really is that 
simple, I don't know how they can charge so much for thier software, 
especially when some it is junk to begin with.

-Kanoa

>
>
>Oh, and having spent much of last night and this morning dealing
>with multiple SCSI disk failures, and having seen about 5% of
>ours fail in a year, I'm rapidly seeing the light on IDE.
>


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-04 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-03 11:20 RAID backup jbradford
2002-10-03 11:26 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-10-03 11:36   ` jbradford
2002-10-03 20:00   ` Kanoalani Withington
2002-10-03 23:59     ` Effrem Norwood
2002-10-04  8:00       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-04 10:25       ` Illtud Daniel
2002-10-04 11:12         ` jbradford
2002-10-04 11:20         ` Alvin Oga
2002-10-04 12:52           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-04 12:52             ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-10-04 13:24             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 14:07               ` Russell King
2002-10-04 17:15                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 21:45                 ` Alvin Oga
2002-10-04 14:32               ` Luca Berra
2002-10-04 15:13                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-04 15:31                 ` Herman Oosthuysen
2002-10-04 16:11                   ` Russell King
2002-10-04 18:51                     ` Herman Oosthuysen
2002-10-04 21:37             ` RAID backup - media Alvin Oga
2002-10-04 18:58         ` Kanoalani Withington [this message]
2002-10-04 21:51           ` RAID backup - mtx w/ tcl Alvin Oga
2002-10-04 21:59             ` Effrem Norwood
2002-10-04 22:22             ` Kanoalani Withington
2002-10-05 12:30               ` Luca Berra
2002-10-09 21:54                 ` Kanoalani Withington
2002-10-10  1:39                   ` Alvin Oga
2002-10-03 11:27 ` RAID backup Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-10-03 13:40 ` Adam Luter
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2002-10-04 17:04 Cress, Andrew R

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