EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller

EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller

[tk Voice]

I was under the impression that these EIDE RAID cards were "hardware 
RAID" as I see it this seems to just be a 2-Channel IDE controller That 
I will have to set up as MD (Software RAID).

Has anyone got one of these working as a hardware RAID controller under 
LINUX ?

Does anyone have any hints you can give me to get this working without 
using "Software RAID" ?

Here are the details of this controller:

EIO (Extreme IO) is a division of InnoVISION (www.ivmm.com)

They have a ATA RAID solution: "EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller"
It can be viewed here: http://www.ivmm.com/eio/products_ap1680.html

Which they claim is LINUX compatible

It is based on Silicon Image's "Sil 0680 Ultra ATA133" chipset.

Silicon Image "Sil 0680" chipset link is:
http://siimage.cubik.com/products/sii0680.asp

The Driver for this chipset is in the kernel source:
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD64X and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD680

Output from lspci -vvv is this:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:09.0 RAID bus controller: CMD Technology Inc: Unknown device 0680 
(rev 02)
    Subsystem: Unknown device 1771:1680
    Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
    Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
<TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
    Latency: 32, cache line size 01
    Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 12
    Region 0: I/O ports at a000 [size=8]
    Region 1: I/O ports at a400 [size=4]
    Region 2: I/O ports at a800 [size=8]
    Region 3: I/O ports at ac00 [size=4]
    Region 4: I/O ports at b000 [size=16]
    Region 5: Memory at df001000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
    Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=512K]
    Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2
            Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA 
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
            Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=2 PME-
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I have attached two(2) 40GB drives to this card one on each ide channel 
both set as Master. I went into the controllers BIOS and made 
configuration changes to reflect RAID 1 and built the set adding both 
drives to it. Everything looks fine a boot time. The controllers BIOS 
states two drives found combined as RAID 1 as 0x80. Under Window 98 I 
only see one drive. Which is what I would expect.

But after compiling these drivers into my LINUX kernel the system sees 
my drives as 2 separate disks (I have an ATAPI CDROM drive on 
Motherboard's 2nd-IDE channel) Here are my messages at boot time:
----------------------------------------------------------
VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39
VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
VP_IDE: VIA vt82c686b (rev 40) IDE UDMA100 controller on pci00:07.1
ide0: BM-DMA at 0x9000-0x9007, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0x9008-0x900f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:DMA
PCI: Found IRQ 12 for device 00:09.0
CMD680: chipset revision 2
CMD680: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide2: BM-DMA at 0xb000-0xb007, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio
ide3: BM-DMA at 0xb008-0xb00f, BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio
hdd: CD-ROM 56X/AKH, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hde: WDC WD400AB-00BVA0, ATA DISK drive
hdg: WDC WD400AB-00BVA0, ATA DISK drive
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
ide2 at 0xa000-0xa007,0xa402 on irq 12
ide3 at 0xa800-0xa807,0xac02 on irq 12
blk: queue c02c766c, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
hde: 78165360 sectors (40021 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=77545/16/63, 
UDMA(100)
blk: queue c02c79d0, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
hdg: 78165360 sectors (40021 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=77545/16/63, 
UDMA(100)
Partition check:
hde: [PTBL] [4865/255/63] hde1 hde2 hde3
hdg: [PTBL] [4865/255/63] hdg1 hdg2 hdg3
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks

Peter

Re: EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller

[Steven Dake]

Tk,

Most of these "hardware" raid cards do not have an I/O processor, which 
(which is the definition of "hardware" raid).  They have a BIOS which 
translates and allows the RAID to be booted into the target OS.  Once in 
the target OS, their specific driver takes over the RAID task (so RAID 
is part of the driver instead of some higher level algorithm).

You might try the ataraid drivers and see if your's is supported.  The 
only advantage you get with these types of cards is that you can boot 
multiple OS'es with the same layout on the disk.

Thanks
-steve

tk Voice wrote:

> I was under the impression that these EIDE RAID cards were "hardware 
> RAID" as I see it this seems to just be a 2-Channel IDE controller 
> That I will have to set up as MD (Software RAID).
>
> Has anyone got one of these working as a hardware RAID controller 
> under LINUX ?
>
> Does anyone have any hints you can give me to get this working without 
> using "Software RAID" ?
>
> Here are the details of this controller:
>
> EIO (Extreme IO) is a division of InnoVISION (www.ivmm.com)
>
> They have a ATA RAID solution: "EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller"
> It can be viewed here: http://www.ivmm.com/eio/products_ap1680.html
>
> Which they claim is LINUX compatible
>
> It is based on Silicon Image's "Sil 0680 Ultra ATA133" chipset.
>
> Silicon Image "Sil 0680" chipset link is:
> http://siimage.cubik.com/products/sii0680.asp
>
> The Driver for this chipset is in the kernel source:
> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD64X and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD680
>
> Output from lspci -vvv is this:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 00:09.0 RAID bus controller: CMD Technology Inc: Unknown device 0680 
> (rev 02)
>    Subsystem: Unknown device 1771:1680
>    Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
> Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>    Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>    Latency: 32, cache line size 01
>    Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 12
>    Region 0: I/O ports at a000 [size=8]
>    Region 1: I/O ports at a400 [size=4]
>    Region 2: I/O ports at a800 [size=8]
>    Region 3: I/O ports at ac00 [size=4]
>    Region 4: I/O ports at b000 [size=16]
>    Region 5: Memory at df001000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
>    Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=512K]
>    Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2
>            Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA 
> PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
>            Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=2 PME-
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I have attached two(2) 40GB drives to this card one on each ide 
> channel both set as Master. I went into the controllers BIOS and made 
> configuration changes to reflect RAID 1 and built the set adding both 
> drives to it. Everything looks fine a boot time. The controllers BIOS 
> states two drives found combined as RAID 1 as 0x80. Under Window 98 I 
> only see one drive. Which is what I would expect.
>
> But after compiling these drivers into my LINUX kernel the system sees 
> my drives as 2 separate disks (I have an ATAPI CDROM drive on 
> Motherboard's 2nd-IDE channel) Here are my messages at boot time:
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39
> VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
> VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
> VP_IDE: VIA vt82c686b (rev 40) IDE UDMA100 controller on pci00:07.1
> ide0: BM-DMA at 0x9000-0x9007, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
> ide1: BM-DMA at 0x9008-0x900f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:DMA
> PCI: Found IRQ 12 for device 00:09.0
> CMD680: chipset revision 2
> CMD680: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
> ide2: BM-DMA at 0xb000-0xb007, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio
> ide3: BM-DMA at 0xb008-0xb00f, BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio
> hdd: CD-ROM 56X/AKH, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> hde: WDC WD400AB-00BVA0, ATA DISK drive
> hdg: WDC WD400AB-00BVA0, ATA DISK drive
> ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
> ide2 at 0xa000-0xa007,0xa402 on irq 12
> ide3 at 0xa800-0xa807,0xac02 on irq 12
> blk: queue c02c766c, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
> hde: 78165360 sectors (40021 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=77545/16/63, 
> UDMA(100)
> blk: queue c02c79d0, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
> hdg: 78165360 sectors (40021 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=77545/16/63, 
> UDMA(100)
> Partition check:
> hde: [PTBL] [4865/255/63] hde1 hde2 hde3
> hdg: [PTBL] [4865/255/63] hdg1 hdg2 hdg3
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
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Re: EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller

[tk Voice]

Thanks for the reply.

I thought that $19 delivered was too good to be true!!!

Are HP and Promise cards ture "HARDWARE" cards with there own I/O processor?

Peter

>

Re: EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller

[Steven Dake]

I don't know the specifics of those cards, but if they include an i/o 
processor, they are a hardware RAID.

Keep in mind that unless you want to boot or use a RAID 5, or want to 
share your RAID volumes between different operating systems, there is 
little reason to purchase a hardware RAID card.  Software RAID is quite 
sufficient for most needs and the host processor running at 2+ ghz is 
much better at RAID then a 60 mhz i960 IOP.  Keep in mind, though, that 
hardware RAID adaptors have built in xor accelerators which can do 
multiple xors in one instruction in hardware, allowing for much better 
xor performance then the intel or ppc processor can do.

Thanks
-steve

tk Voice wrote:

> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I thought that $19 delivered was too good to be true!!!
>
> Are HP and Promise cards ture "HARDWARE" cards with there own I/O 
> processor?
>
> Peter
>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller

[Gregory Leblanc]

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On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 09:16, Steven Dake wrote:
> I don't know the specifics of those cards, but if they include an i/o 
> processor, they are a hardware RAID.
> 
> Keep in mind that unless you want to boot or use a RAID 5, or want to 
> share your RAID volumes between different operating systems, there is 
> little reason to purchase a hardware RAID card.  Software RAID is quite 
> sufficient for most needs and the host processor running at 2+ ghz is 
> much better at RAID then a 60 mhz i960 IOP.  Keep in mind, though, that 
> hardware RAID adaptors have built in xor accelerators which can do 
> multiple xors in one instruction in hardware, allowing for much better 
> xor performance then the intel or ppc processor can do.

While the performance of RAID 5 using software RAID is generally far
superior to that provided by hardware RAID, host CPU usage can be
-quite- high in high-load situations.  The benchmarks recently posted
had cpu usage numbers at over 90% on most sequeential writes and reads.
	Greg

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Re: EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller

[Trent Piepho]

On 11 Feb 2003, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> While the performance of RAID 5 using software RAID is generally far
> superior to that provided by hardware RAID, host CPU usage can be
> -quite- high in high-load situations.  The benchmarks recently posted
> had cpu usage numbers at over 90% on most sequeential writes and reads.

But what is the CPU usage per MB/sec?  If software RAID5 was just as efficient
as hardware RAID5, except twice as fast, you would expect the CPU usage to be
double.

Re: EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller

[Maurice Hilarius]

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Re: EIO AP-1680 ATA133 RAID PCI Controller

[Gregory Leblanc]

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On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 07:36, Maurice Hilarius wrote:
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> With regards to your message at 02:16 PM 2/11/03, Gregory Leblanc.
> Where you stated:
> While the performance of RAID 5 using software RAID is generally far
> superior to that provided by hardware RAID, host CPU usage can be
> -quite- high in high-load situations.  The benchmarks recently posted
> had cpu usage numbers at over 90% on most sequeential writes and
> reads.
> 	Greg
> 
> Naturally. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
> Look at it this way:
> If you have X amount of data to write, and it takes half as long, but
> uses 30% more CPU, you are ahead of the game..

The formatting of this message is all wonky, sorry about it being
confusing.  Anyway, I agree, except that I have no numbers to back up
the CPU use differences, or the MB/sec differences.  Without them, any
claims are pretty silly to try to make.
	Greg

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