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From: "Guy Watkins" <linux-raid@watkins-home.com>
To: 'Bill Davidsen' <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	'Goswin von Brederlow' <goswin-v-b@web.de>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: Requesting replace mode for changing a disk
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:20:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4019EAB86E8342028374C6968D6D67E2@m5> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A060CBE.9090308@tmr.com>

} -----Original Message-----
} From: linux-raid-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-raid-
} owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Bill Davidsen
} Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:08 PM
} To: Goswin von Brederlow
} Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
} Subject: Re: Requesting replace mode for changing a disk
} 
} Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
} > Hi,
} >
} > consider the following situation: You have a software raid that runs
} > fine but one disk is suspect (e.g. SMART says failure imminent or
} > something). How do you replace that disk?
} >
} > Currently you have do fail/remove the disk from the raid, add a
} > fresh disk and resync. That leaves a large window in which redundancy
} > is compromised. With current disk sizes that can be days.
} >
} > It would be nice if one could tell the kernel to replace a disk in a
} > raid set with a spare without the need to degrade the raid.
} >
} > Thoughts?
} >
} 
} This is one of many things proposed occasionally here, no real
} objection, sometimes loud support, but no one actually *does* the code.
} 
} You have described the problem exactly, and the solution is still to do
} it manually. But you don't need to fail the drive long term, if you can
} stop the array for a few moments. You stop the array, remove the suspect
} drive, create a raid1 of the suspect drive marked write-mostly and the
} new spare, then add the raid1 in place of the suspect drive. For any
} chunks present on the new drive the reads will go there, reducing
} access, while data is copied from the old to the new in resync, and
} writes still go to the old suspect drive so if the new drive fails you
} are no worse off. When the raid1 is clean you stop the main array and
} back the suspect drive out.
} 
} This is complicated enough that I totally agree a hot migrate would be
} desirable. This is why people use lvm, although I make zero claims that
} this same problem will solve more easily, I'm just not an lvm guru (or
} even a newbie, just an occasional user).

If the disk is suspect, I would expect read errors!
If you have 1 bad block on the suspect disk, this process will fail.
If the logic was built-in to md, then any read errors while replacing could
be recovered from another disk or disks.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-10  2:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-08 22:15 Requesting replace mode for changing a disk Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-09 11:41 ` John Robinson
2009-05-09 23:07 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-05-10  1:22   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-10  2:20   ` Guy Watkins [this message]
2009-05-10  7:02     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-10 14:33     ` Bill Davidsen
2009-05-10 15:55       ` Guy Watkins
2009-05-13  1:21   ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-05-13  3:27     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-13  4:36       ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13  7:37         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-13 11:02           ` Neil Brown
2009-05-14 10:44         ` David Greaves
2009-05-14 12:00           ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13  4:31     ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13  4:37       ` SandeepKsinha
2009-05-13  4:54         ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13  5:07           ` SandeepKsinha
2009-05-13  5:21             ` NeilBrown
2009-05-13  5:31               ` SandeepKsinha
2009-05-13 10:51                 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13  7:28       ` Goswin von Brederlow
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2009-05-13  4:08 Sandeep K Sinha

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