From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@dell.com>
Subject: Re: DDF Trial Use draft specification now publicly available
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:07:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4050E30A.80301@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040311154542.GA6173@lists.us.dell.com>
Ok, having read the whole spec... it reads like DDF is basically an
hardware RAID format. That's not a bad thing, just something that must
be understood from the beginning.
Thus, when considering this as a "format a hardware RAID controller
would use, to store all its global and per-array state", here are some
inherent limitations that apply to DDF, because the global state and
per-array state is considered from the viewpoint of being limited in
scope to that of a "controller" -- an entity whose definition is
amorphous at best when considering things from a Linux blkdev
perspective. Linux block devices are quite controller-independent,
leading to crazy (but flexible) combinations such as md RAID1, with 1
SCSI disk component, 1 ATA disk component, and 1 remote server using
nbd, the network block device, serving as the hot spare.
* the scope of some metadata is per-controller. there doesn't appear to
be a notion of RAID arrays that can span controllers.
* "minimal" metadata from RAID arrays B, C, D, .. might be stored in
RAID array A. This is perfectly understandable -- the hardware RAID
controller must store its controller-wide state somewhere. But it is
unclear what happens to this metadata then a RAID array is moved from
one vendor's hardware RAID to another. It is also unclear what the
behavior of a purely hardware-independent implementation should be.
* the definition/implementation of multiple controllers on a single HBA
is unclear.
* single level of stacking. To support RAID0+1 and other "stacked"
solutions, DDF includes an awful hack: "secondary RAID level." Instead
of truly supporting the notion of nested (stacked) RAID arrays, they
instead supported a single additional level of stacking - secondary raid
level. Several of the limitations related secondary RAID level are
unclear in the DDF spec.
There is also an IMO significant flaw:
The designers made a good move in choosing GUIDs. Then they turned
around and created a 32-bit identifier which is far less unique, and far
more troublesome than the GUID. Then 32-bit identifier is what is used
in the virtual disk (a.k.a. RAID array) description, when listing its
components. Argh! These identifiers need to be eliminated, and the
GUIDs that each element _already_ provides should be used as the unique
identifier of choice in all lists, etc.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-03-11 22:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-03-11 15:45 DDF Trial Use draft specification now publicly available Matt Domsch
2004-03-11 16:08 ` Samuel Davidoff
2004-03-11 16:18 ` Matt Domsch
2004-03-11 20:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-12 7:27 ` Scott Long
2004-03-12 21:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-12 22:27 ` Scott Long
2004-03-11 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2004-03-12 7:55 ` Scott Long
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