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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@scsiguy.com>
Cc: Kevin Corry <kevcorry@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:30:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40661CA7.6030105@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1564440000.1080322989@aslan.btc.adaptec.com>

Justin T. Gibbs wrote:
>  o Rebuilds

	> 90% kernel, AFAICS, otherwise you have races with
	requests that the driver is actively satisfying


>  o Auto-array enumeration

	userspace


>  o Meta-data updates for "safe mode"

	unsure of the definition of safe mode


>  o Array creation/deletion


	of entire arrays?  can mostly be done in userspace, but deletion
	also needs to update controller-wide metadata, which might be
	stored on active arrays.


>  o "Hot member addition"

	userspace prepares, kernel completes

[moved this down in your list]
>  o Meta-data updates for topology changes (failed members, spare activation)

[warning: this is a tangent from the userspace sub-thread/topic]

	the kernel, of course, must manage topology, otherwise things
	Don't Get Done, and requests don't do where they should.  :)

	Part of the value of device mapper is that it provides container
	objects for multi-disk groups, and a common method of messing
	around with those container objects.  You clearly recognized the
	same need in emd... but I don't think we want two different
	pieces of code doing the same basic thing.


	I do think that metadata management needs to be fairly cleanly
	separately (I like what emd did, there) such that a user needs
	three in-kernel pieces:
	* device mapper
	* generic raid1 engine
	* personality module

	"personality" would be where the specifics of the metadata
	management lived, and it would be responsible for handling the
	specifics of non-hot-path events that nonetheless still need
	to be in the kernel.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-03-28  0:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-19 20:19 "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-23  5:05 ` Neil Brown
2004-03-23  6:23   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-24  2:26     ` Neil Brown
2004-03-24 19:09       ` Matt Domsch
2004-03-25  2:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:00         ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-25 18:42           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:48             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 23:46               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:01                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26  0:10                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:14                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 22:04             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26 19:19               ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-31 17:07                 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-03-25 23:35             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:13               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 17:43                 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:06                   ` Lincoln Dale
2004-03-30 17:54                     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:30                   ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2004-03-26 19:15             ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-26 20:45               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-27 15:39                 ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-28  9:11                   ` [dm-devel] " christophe varoqui
2004-03-30 17:03                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:15                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 17:35                       ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:46                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:04                           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 21:47                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:12                               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 22:34                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:11                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-25 22:59           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-25 23:44             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26  0:03               ` Justin T. Gibbs
     [not found] <1AOTW-4Vx-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1AOTW-4Vx-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-18  1:33   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-18  2:00     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  9:58       ` Jamie Lokier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-17 18:14 Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-17 19:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 19:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-17 20:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:18   ` Scott Long
2004-03-17 21:35     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:45     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  0:23       ` Scott Long
2004-03-18  1:55         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  6:38         ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-20 13:07         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-21 23:42           ` Scott Long
2004-03-22  9:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-22 21:59               ` Scott Long
2004-03-23  6:48                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-18  1:56     ` viro

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