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From: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Spares and partitioning huge disks
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:36:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41E15D73.9020203@tls.msk.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200501091623.j09GNG917488@www.watkins-home.com>

Guy wrote:
> Bad sectors are detected on write.  There are 5 wires going to each of the

Bad sectors can be detected both on write and on read.  Unfortunately,
most time there will be *read* error -- it is pretty possible for the
drive to perform a read-check after write, and the data may be ok at
that time, but not when you will want to read it a month later...

> read/write heads on my disk drives.  I think each head can read after write
> in 1 pass.  My specs say it re-maps on write failure and read failure.  Both
> are optional.  But, I don't know if this is normal or not.  My disks are
> Seagate ST118202LC, 10,000 RPM, 18 Gig SCSI.

I think all modern drives support bad block remapping on both read and write.
But think about it: if there's a read error, it means the drive CAN NOT read
the "right" data for some reason (for some definition of "right" anyway) --
ie, the drive "knows" there's some problem with the data and it can't
completely reconstruct what has been written to the block before.  In this
case, while remapping the block in question help to avoid further error in
this block, it does NOT help to restore the data which the drive can't read.

And sure it is not an option in this case to report that read was successeful
and to pass, say, zero-filled block to the controller... ;)

/mjt

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-09 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-06 14:16 Spares and partitioning huge disks maarten
2005-01-06 16:46 ` Guy
2005-01-06 17:08   ` maarten
2005-01-06 17:31 ` Guy
2005-01-06 18:18   ` maarten
     [not found]     ` <41DD83DA.9040609@h3c.com>
2005-01-06 19:42       ` maarten
2005-01-07 20:59 ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-07 21:57   ` Guy
2005-01-08 10:22     ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 12:19       ` maarten
2005-01-08 16:33         ` Guy
2005-01-08 16:58           ` maarten
2005-01-08 14:52     ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-08 15:50       ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 16:32       ` Guy
2005-01-08 17:16         ` maarten
2005-01-08 18:55           ` Guy
2005-01-08 19:25             ` maarten
2005-01-08 20:33               ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 23:01                 ` maarten
2005-01-09 10:10                   ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-09 16:23                     ` Guy
2005-01-09 16:36                       ` Michael Tokarev [this message]
2005-01-09 17:52                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-09 17:59                           ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-09 18:34                             ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-09 20:28                             ` Guy
2005-01-09 20:47                               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10  7:19                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10  9:05                                   ` Guy
2005-01-10  9:38                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 12:31                                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 13:19                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 18:37                                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-11 11:34                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-08 23:09               ` Guy
2005-01-09  0:56                 ` maarten
2005-01-13  2:05                 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-13  4:55                   ` Guy
2005-01-13  9:27                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-13 15:53                     ` Guy
2005-01-13 17:16                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-13 20:40                         ` Guy
2005-01-13 23:32                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-14  2:43                             ` Guy
2005-01-08 16:49       ` maarten
2005-01-08 19:01         ` maarten
2005-01-10 16:34           ` maarten
2005-01-10 16:36             ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10 17:10               ` maarten
2005-01-16 16:19                 ` 4 questions. Chieftec chassis case CA-01B, resync times, selecting ide driver module loading, raid5 :2 drives on same ide channel Mitchell Laks
2005-01-16 17:53                   ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-16 18:22                   ` Maarten
2005-01-16 19:39                   ` Guy
2005-01-16 20:55                     ` Maarten
2005-01-16 21:58                       ` Guy
2005-01-10 17:13             ` Spares and partitioning huge disks Guy
2005-01-10 17:35               ` hard disk re-locates bad block on read Guy
2005-01-11 14:34                 ` Tom Coughlan
2005-01-11 22:43                   ` Guy
2005-01-12 13:51                     ` Tom Coughlan
2005-01-10 18:24               ` Spares and partitioning huge disks maarten
2005-01-10 20:09                 ` Guy
2005-01-10 21:21                   ` maarten
2005-01-11  1:04                   ` maarten
2005-01-10 18:40               ` maarten
2005-01-10 19:41                 ` Guy
2005-01-12 11:41               ` RAID-6 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-13  2:11                 ` RAID-6 Neil Brown
2005-01-15 16:12                   ` RAID-6 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-17  8:04                     ` RAID-6 Turbo Fredriksson
2005-01-11 10:09             ` Spares and partitioning huge disks KELEMEN Peter
2005-01-09 19:33         ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-09 21:26           ` maarten
2005-01-09 22:29             ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-09 23:16               ` maarten
2005-01-10  8:15                 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-14 17:29                   ` Dieter Stueken
2005-01-14 17:46                     ` maarten
2005-01-14 19:14                       ` Derek Piper
2005-01-15  0:13                     ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-15  9:34                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-15  9:54                         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-15 10:31                           ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-15 11:10                             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-15 10:33                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-15 11:07                             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-09 23:20             ` Guy
2005-01-10  7:42               ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10  9:03                 ` Guy
2005-01-10 12:21                   ` Stats... [RE: Spares and partitioning huge disks] Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10  0:42             ` Spares and partitioning huge disks Guy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-13  9:53 Bene Martin
2005-01-13 10:11 ` Peter T. Breuer

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