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From: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
To: Luca Berra <bluca@comedia.it>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] md bitmap bug fixes
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:46:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <423B4C4B.7070404@tls.msk.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050318171608.GA28494@percy.comedia.it>

Luca Berra wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 02:42:55PM +0100, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> 
>> The problem is for multi-nodes, both sides have their own bitmap. When a
>> split scenario occurs, and both sides begin modifying the data, that
>> bitmap needs to be merged before resync, or else we risk 'forgetting'
>> that one side dirtied a block.
> 
> on a side note i am wondering what would the difference be on using this
> approach within the md driver versus DRBD?

DRBD is more suitable for the task IMHO.  Several points:

o For md, all drives are equal, that is, for example, raid1
  code will balance reads among all the available drives a-la
  striping, while DRBD knows one mirror is remote and hence
  will not try to read from it.  Well, todays GigE is fast,
  but it is yet another layer between your data and the memory,
  and we also have such a thing as latency.

o We all know how md "loves" to kick off "faulty" array components
  after first I/O error, don't we?  DRBD allows "temporary" failures
  of remote component, and will recover automatically when the
  remote comes back.

o DRBD allows local drive to be a bit ahead compared to remote one
  (configurable), while md will wait for all drives to complete a write.

There's a case which is questionable in the first place: what to
do if local part of the mirror fails?  Md will happily run on
single remote component in degraded mode, while DRBD will probably
fail...  Dunno which behaviour is "better" or "more correct"
(depends on the usage scenario I think).

But oh, I haven't looked at DRBD for about 5 years...

/mjt

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-18 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-09 22:18 [PATCH 1/2] md bitmap bug fixes Paul Clements
2005-03-09 22:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] " Paul Clements
2005-03-14  4:43 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Neil Brown
2005-03-14  9:44   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-14 10:22     ` Neil Brown
2005-03-14 11:24       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-14 22:54         ` Neil Brown
2005-03-18 10:33           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-18 12:52             ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 13:42               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-18 14:50                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 17:03                   ` Paul Clements
2005-03-18 18:43                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 19:01                       ` Mario Holbe
2005-03-18 19:33                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 20:24                           ` Mario Holbe
2005-03-18 21:01                             ` Andy Smith
2005-03-19 11:43                             ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 12:58                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 13:27                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 14:07                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 15:06                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 15:24                                       ` Mario Holbe
2005-03-19 15:58                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 16:24                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 17:19                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 17:36                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 17:44                                         ` Guy
2005-03-19 17:54                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 18:05                                             ` Guy
2005-03-19 20:29                                             ` berk walker
2005-03-19 18:11                                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 19:43                       ` Paul Clements
2005-03-19 12:10                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-21 16:07                           ` Paul Clements
2005-03-21 18:56                             ` Luca Berra
2005-03-21 19:58                               ` Paul Clements
2005-03-21 20:45                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-21 21:09                                   ` Gil
2005-03-21 21:19                                   ` Paul Clements
2005-03-21 22:15                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-22 22:35                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-21 21:32                                   ` Guy
2005-03-22  9:35                                 ` Luca Berra
2005-03-22 10:02                                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-23 20:31                                     ` Luca Berra
2005-03-25 18:51                                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-25 20:54                                         ` berk walker
2005-03-25 20:56                                           ` berk walker
2005-03-18 17:16                 ` Luca Berra
2005-03-18 17:57                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-18 21:46                   ` Michael Tokarev [this message]
2005-03-19  9:05                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 12:16                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 12:34                       ` Michael Tokarev
2005-03-19 12:53                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 16:08                           ` "Robust Read" (was: [PATCH 1/2] md bitmap bug fixes) Michael Tokarev
2005-03-19 17:03                             ` "Robust Read" Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 20:20                               ` Michael Tokarev
2005-03-19 20:56                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 22:05                                   ` Michael Tokarev
2005-03-19 22:30                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-15  4:24   ` [PATCH 1/2] md bitmap bug fixes Paul Clements
2005-03-17 20:51   ` [PATCH 0/3] md bitmap-based asynchronous writes Paul Clements
2005-03-17 20:53     ` [PATCH 1/3] md bitmap async write enabling Paul Clements
2005-03-17 20:55       ` [PATCH 2/3] md bitmap async writes for raid1 Paul Clements
2005-03-17 20:56         ` [PATCH 3/3] mdadm: bitmap async writes Paul Clements
2005-03-21  4:21     ` [PATCH 0/3] md bitmap-based asynchronous writes Neil Brown
2005-03-21 16:31       ` Paul Clements
2005-03-21 22:09         ` Neil Brown
2005-03-22  8:35           ` Peter T. Breuer

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