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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz@lucidpixels.com>
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Francois Barre <francois.barre@gmail.com>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Large single raid and XFS or two small ones and EXT3?
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:06:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <449F251B.1090805@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606240840100.10312@p34.internal.lan>

Justin Piszcz wrote:

>
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Neil Brown wrote:
>
>> On Friday June 23, francois.barre@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> The problem is that there is no cost effective backup available.
>>>
>>>
>>> One-liner questions :
>>> - How does Google make backups ?
>>
>>
>> No, Google ARE the backups :-)
>>
>>> - Aren't tapes dead yet ?
>>
>>
>> LTO-3 does 300Gig, and LTO-4 is planned.
>> They may not cope with tera-byte arrays in one hit, but they still
>> have real value.
>>
>>> - What about a NUMA principle applied to storage ?
>>
>>
>> You mean an Hierarchical Storage Manager?  Yep, they exist.  I'm sure
>> SGI, EMC and assorted other TLAs could sell you one.
>>
>
> LTO3 is 400GB native and we've seen very good compression, so 
> 800GB-1TB per tape. 

The problem is in small business use, LTO3 is costly in the 1-10TB 
range, and takes a lot of media changes as well. A TB of RAID-5 is 
~$500, and at that small size the cost of drives and media is 
disproportionally high. Using more drives is cost effective, but they 
are not good for long term off site storage, because they're large and 
fragile.

No obvious solutions in that price and application range that I see.

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
  CTO TMR Associates, Inc
  Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979


  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-26  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-22 19:11 Large single raid and XFS or two small ones and EXT3? Chris Allen
2006-06-22 19:16 ` Gordon Henderson
2006-06-22 19:23   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-22 19:58     ` Chris Allen
2006-06-22 20:00   ` Chris Allen
2006-06-23  8:59 ` PFC
2006-06-23  9:26   ` Francois Barre
2006-06-23 12:50     ` Chris Allen
2006-06-23 13:14       ` Gordon Henderson
2006-06-23 13:30       ` Francois Barre
2006-06-23 14:46         ` Martin Schröder
2006-06-23 14:59           ` Francois Barre
2006-06-23 15:13           ` Bill Davidsen
2006-06-23 15:34             ` Francois Barre
2006-06-23 19:49               ` Nix
2006-06-24  5:19               ` Neil Brown
2006-06-24  7:59                 ` Adam Talbot
2006-06-24  9:34                   ` David Greaves
2006-06-24 22:52                     ` Adam Talbot
2006-06-25 13:06                       ` Joshua Baker-LePain
2006-06-28  3:45                         ` I need a PCI V2.1 4 port SATA card Guy
2006-06-28  4:29                           ` Brad Campbell
2006-06-28 10:20                             ` Justin Piszcz
2006-06-28 11:55                             ` Christian Pernegger
2006-06-28 11:59                               ` Gordon Henderson
2006-06-29 18:45                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-06-28 19:38                               ` Justin Piszcz
2006-06-28 12:12                             ` Petr Vyskocil
2006-06-25 14:51                       ` Large single raid and XFS or two small ones and EXT3? Adam Talbot
2006-06-25 20:35                         ` Chris Allen
2006-06-25 23:57                   ` Bill Davidsen
2006-06-26  0:42                     ` Adam Talbot
2006-06-26 14:03                       ` Bill Davidsen
2006-06-24 12:40                 ` Justin Piszcz
2006-06-26  0:06                   ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2006-06-26  8:06                     ` Justin Piszcz
2006-06-23 15:17           ` Chris Allen
2006-06-23 14:01       ` Al Boldi
2006-06-23 16:06         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-23 16:41           ` Christian Pedaschus
2006-06-23 16:46             ` Christian Pedaschus
2006-06-23 19:53             ` Nix
2006-06-23 16:21         ` Russell Cattelan
2006-06-23 18:19           ` Tom Vier
2006-06-27 12:05       ` Large single raid... - XFS over NFS woes Dexter Filmore
2006-06-23 19:48   ` Large single raid and XFS or two small ones and EXT3? Nix
2006-06-25 19:13     ` David Rees

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