From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bill Davidsen Subject: Re: Large single raid and XFS or two small ones and EXT3? Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:06:51 -0400 Message-ID: <449F251B.1090805@tmr.com> References: <449AEB7C.6040108@cjx.com> <449BE381.6070000@cjx.com> <68c491a60606230746m5c1f0301g8e00fdd4f0e0739b@mail.gmail.com> <449C0505.8000601@tmr.com> <17564.52087.651968.635043@cse.unsw.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-raid-owner@vger.kernel.org To: Justin Piszcz Cc: Neil Brown , Francois Barre , linux-raid@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-raid.ids Justin Piszcz wrote: > > On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Neil Brown wrote: > >> On Friday June 23, francois.barre@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>> The problem is that there is no cost effective backup available. >>> >>> >>> One-liner questions : >>> - How does Google make backups ? >> >> >> No, Google ARE the backups :-) >> >>> - Aren't tapes dead yet ? >> >> >> LTO-3 does 300Gig, and LTO-4 is planned. >> They may not cope with tera-byte arrays in one hit, but they still >> have real value. >> >>> - What about a NUMA principle applied to storage ? >> >> >> You mean an Hierarchical Storage Manager? Yep, they exist. I'm sure >> SGI, EMC and assorted other TLAs could sell you one. >> > > LTO3 is 400GB native and we've seen very good compression, so > 800GB-1TB per tape. The problem is in small business use, LTO3 is costly in the 1-10TB range, and takes a lot of media changes as well. A TB of RAID-5 is ~$500, and at that small size the cost of drives and media is disproportionally high. Using more drives is cost effective, but they are not good for long term off site storage, because they're large and fragile. No obvious solutions in that price and application range that I see. -- bill davidsen CTO TMR Associates, Inc Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979