From: Douglas Gilbert <dougg@torque.net>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>, Linux-ide <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
Mark Lord <mlord@pobox.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
"Clark, Nathan" <Clark_Nathan@emc.com>,
"Singh, Arvinder" <Singh_Arvinder@emc.com>,
"De Smet, Jochen" <DeSmet_Jochen@emc.com>,
"Farmer, Matt" <Farmer_Matt@emc.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, "Mizar,
Sunita" <Mizar_Sunita@emc.com>
Subject: Re: end to end error recovery musings
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:01:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45E277CE.3080405@torque.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45DF80C9.5080606@zytor.com>
H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Ric Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> We still have the following challenges:
>>
>> (1) read-ahead often means that we will retry every bad sector at
>> least twice from the file system level. The first time, the fs read
>> ahead request triggers a speculative read that includes the bad sector
>> (triggering the error handling mechanisms) right before the real
>> application triggers a read does the same thing. Not sure what the
>> answer is here since read-ahead is obviously a huge win in the normal
>> case.
>>
>
> Probably the only sane thing to do is to remember the bad sectors and
> avoid attempting reading them; that would mean marking "automatic"
> versus "explicitly requested" requests to determine whether or not to
> filter them against a list of discovered bad blocks.
Some disks are doing their own "read-ahead" in the form
of a background media scan. Scans are done on request or
periodically (e.g. once per day or once per week) and we
have tools that can fetch the scan results from a disk
(e.g. a list of unreadable sectors). What we don't have
is any way to feed such information to a file system
that may be impacted.
Doug Gilbert
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-02-26 6:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-02-23 14:15 end to end error recovery musings Ric Wheeler
2007-02-24 0:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-24 0:37 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-02-24 2:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-24 2:32 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-24 18:39 ` Chris Wedgwood
2007-02-26 5:33 ` Neil Brown
2007-02-26 13:25 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-26 15:15 ` Alan
2007-02-26 15:18 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-26 17:01 ` Alan
2007-02-26 16:42 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-26 15:17 ` James Bottomley
2007-02-26 18:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-26 22:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-26 22:53 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-27 1:19 ` Alan
2007-02-26 6:01 ` Douglas Gilbert [this message]
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-27 1:10 Moore, Eric
2007-02-27 16:50 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 18:51 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-27 19:02 ` Alan
2007-02-27 18:39 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-02-27 19:07 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 23:39 ` Alan
2007-02-27 22:51 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 13:46 ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-02-28 17:16 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 17:30 ` James Bottomley
2007-02-28 17:42 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 17:52 ` James Bottomley
2007-03-01 1:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-01 14:25 ` James Bottomley
2007-03-01 17:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-28 15:19 ` Moore, Eric
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