From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Linux-ide <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
Mark Lord <mlord@pobox.com>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
"Clark, Nathan" <Clark_Nathan@emc.com>,
"Singh, Arvinder" <Singh_Arvinder@emc.com>,
"De Smet, Jochen" <DeSmet_Jochen@emc.com>,
"Farmer, Matt" <Farmer_Matt@emc.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, "Mizar,
Sunita" <Mizar_Sunita@emc.com>
Subject: Re: end to end error recovery musings
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:53:38 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45E364F2.8090502@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45E3634E.9000505@garzik.org>
Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Theodore Tso wrote:
>> Can someone with knowledge of current disk drive behavior confirm that
>> for all drives that support bad block sparing, if an attempt to write
>> to a particular spot on disk results in an error due to bad media at
>> that spot, the disk drive will automatically rewrite the sector to a
>> sector in its spare pool, and automatically redirect that sector to
>> the new location. I believe this should be always true, so presumably
>> with all modern disk drives a write error should mean something very
>> serious has happend.
>
>
> This is what will /probably/ happen. The drive should indeed find a
> spare sector and remap it, if the write attempt encounters a bad spot on
> the media.
>
> However, with a large enough write, large enough bad-spot-on-media, and
> a firmware programmed to never take more than X seconds to complete
> their enterprise customers' I/O, it might just fail.
>
>
> IMO, somewhere in the kernel, when we receive a read-op or write-op
> media error, we should immediately try to plaster that area with small
> writes. Sure, if it's a read-op you lost data, but this method will
> maximize the chance that you can refresh/reuse the logical sectors in
> question.
>
> Jeff
One interesting counter example is a smaller write than a full page - say 512
bytes out of 4k.
If we need to do a read-modify-write and it just so happens that 1 of the 7
sectors we need to read is flaky, will this "look" like a write failure?
ric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-02-26 22:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-02-23 14:15 end to end error recovery musings Ric Wheeler
2007-02-24 0:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-24 0:37 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-02-24 2:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-24 2:32 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-24 18:39 ` Chris Wedgwood
2007-02-26 5:33 ` Neil Brown
2007-02-26 13:25 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-26 15:15 ` Alan
2007-02-26 15:18 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-26 17:01 ` Alan
2007-02-26 16:42 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-26 15:17 ` James Bottomley
2007-02-26 18:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-26 22:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-26 22:53 ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2007-02-27 1:19 ` Alan
2007-02-26 6:01 ` Douglas Gilbert
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-27 1:10 Moore, Eric
2007-02-27 16:50 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 18:51 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-27 19:02 ` Alan
2007-02-27 18:39 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-02-27 19:07 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 23:39 ` Alan
2007-02-27 22:51 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 13:46 ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-02-28 17:16 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 17:30 ` James Bottomley
2007-02-28 17:42 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 17:52 ` James Bottomley
2007-03-01 1:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-01 14:25 ` James Bottomley
2007-03-01 17:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-28 15:19 ` Moore, Eric
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