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From: Peter Rabbitson <rabbit@rabbit.us>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: mismatch_cnt questions - how about raid10?
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:26:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45F56329.4000407@rabbit.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17908.59047.688420.79050@notabene.brown>

Neil Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday March 6, rabbit@rabbit.us wrote:
 >
> Though it is less likely, a regular filesystem could still (I think)
> genuinely write different data to difference devices in a raid1/10.
> 
> So relying on mismatch_cnt for early problem detection probably isn't
> really workable.
> 
> And I think that if a drive is returning bad data without signalling
> an error, then you are very much into the 'late' side of problem
> detection.

I agree with the later, but my concern is not that much with the cause, 
but with the effect. From past discussion on the list I gather that no 
special effort is made to determine which chunk to take as 'valid', even 
though more than 2 logically identical chunks might be present 
(raid1/10). And you also seem to think that the DMA syndrome might even 
apply to plain fast-changing filesystems, left alone something with 
multiple layers (fs on lvm on raid).
So here is my question: how (theoretically) safe it is to use a raid1/10 
array for something very disk intensive, e.g. a mail spool? How likely 
it is that the effect you described above will creep different blocks 
onto disks, and subsequently will return the wrong data to the kernel? 
Should I look into raid5/6 for this kind of activity, in case both 
uptime and data integrity are my number one priorities, and I am willing 
to sacrifice performance?

Thank you

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-12 14:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-04 11:22 mismatch_cnt questions Christian Pernegger
2007-03-04 11:50 ` Neil Brown
2007-03-04 12:01   ` Christian Pernegger
2007-03-04 22:19     ` Neil Brown
2007-03-06 10:04       ` mismatch_cnt questions - how about raid10? Peter Rabbitson
2007-03-06 10:20         ` Neil Brown
2007-03-06 10:56           ` Peter Rabbitson
2007-03-06 10:59             ` Justin Piszcz
2007-03-12  5:35             ` Neil Brown
2007-03-12 14:26               ` Peter Rabbitson [this message]
2007-03-04 21:21   ` mismatch_cnt questions Eyal Lebedinsky
2007-03-04 22:30     ` Neil Brown
2007-03-05  7:45       ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2007-03-05 14:56         ` detecting/correcting _slightly_ flaky disks Michael Stumpf
2007-03-05 15:09           ` Justin Piszcz
2007-03-05 17:01             ` Michael Stumpf
2007-03-05 17:11               ` Justin Piszcz
2007-03-07  0:14               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-07  1:37                 ` Michael Stumpf
2007-03-07 13:57                   ` berk walker
2007-03-07 15:01                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-05 23:40         ` mismatch_cnt questions Neil Brown
2007-03-07  0:22           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-08  6:39           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-08 13:54             ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-03-09  2:00               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-09  4:20                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-09  5:20                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-08  6:34         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-08  7:00           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-08  8:21             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-13  9:58               ` Andre Noll
2007-03-13 23:46                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-06  6:27       ` Paul Davidson
2008-05-12 11:16   ` Bas van Schaik
2008-05-12 14:31     ` Justin Piszcz

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