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From: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
To: david@lang.hm
Cc: Stefan Bader <Stefan.Bader@de.ibm.com>,
	Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
	device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>,
	ric@emc.com
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] Re: [RFD] BIO_RW_BARRIER - what it means for devices, filesystems, and dm/md.
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:16:01 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <465FC7B1.3060309@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705312144400.6705@asgard.lang.hm>

[ cc'ing Ric Wheeler for storage array thingie.  Hi, whole thread is at
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.device-mapper.devel/3344 ]

Hello,

david@lang.hm wrote:
> but when you consider the self-contained disk arrays it's an entirely
> different story. you can easily have a few gig of cache and a complete
> OS pretending to be a single drive as far as you are concerned.
> 
> and the price of such devices is plummeting (in large part thanks to
> Linux moving into this space), you can now readily buy a 10TB array for
> $10k that looks like a single drive.

Don't those thingies usually have NV cache or backed by battery such
that ORDERED_DRAIN is enough?

The problem is that the interface between the host and a storage device
(ATA or SCSI) is not built to communicate that kind of information
(grouped flush, relaxed ordering...).  I think battery backed
ORDERED_DRAIN combined with fine-grained host queue flush would be
pretty good.  It doesn't require some fancy new interface which isn't
gonna be used widely anyway and can achieve most of performance gain if
the storage plays it smart.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-01  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-25  7:58 [RFD] BIO_RW_BARRIER - what it means for devices, filesystems, and dm/md Neil Brown
2007-05-25 11:15 ` David Chinner
2007-05-25 11:49   ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-25 14:49     ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-28 18:32       ` [dm-devel] " Jens Axboe
2007-05-25 13:52 ` Stefan Bader
2007-05-28  1:37   ` Neil Brown
2007-05-29  9:12     ` Stefan Bader
2007-05-25 15:11 ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-26  1:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-05-26 10:27 ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-28  1:30 ` Neil Brown
2007-05-28  2:45   ` David Chinner
2007-05-28  2:57     ` Neil Brown
2007-05-28  4:29       ` David Chinner
2007-05-31  0:46         ` Neil Brown
2007-05-31  0:57           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-31  1:07           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-31  1:11             ` David Chinner
2007-05-28  4:48     ` Timothy Shimmin
2007-05-29  6:45       ` Jeremy Higdon
2007-05-29 20:03     ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-29 23:48       ` David Chinner
2007-05-30  0:01         ` david
2007-05-30  6:17           ` David Chinner
2007-05-30  8:55             ` Stefan Bader
2007-05-30 16:52             ` david
2007-05-31  0:20               ` David Chinner
2007-05-31  6:26                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31  7:03                   ` David Chinner
2007-05-31  7:06                     ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 13:30                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-31 13:36                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-01 16:04                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-02 14:51                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-02 19:55                               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-01  3:16                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-06-01  8:21                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-02  9:20                           ` Tejun Heo
2007-06-02 14:34                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-02 22:57                               ` Guy Watkins
2007-06-04  7:39                               ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-31 18:31                     ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-31 19:00                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 19:21                         ` david
2007-05-31 19:40                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 23:34                       ` David Chinner
2007-06-01  5:59                         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-01  6:11                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-01  7:53                           ` David Chinner
2007-06-01 23:56                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-31 18:24                 ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-30 16:45         ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-30 20:27           ` [dm-devel] " Phillip Susi
2007-05-31  6:24             ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 18:37               ` [dm-devel] " Phillip Susi
2007-05-31 18:58                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-02  0:04                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-28  9:29   ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-28  9:43   ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-29  9:25     ` [dm-devel] " Stefan Bader
2007-05-29 22:05       ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-30  9:12         ` [dm-devel] " Stefan Bader
2007-05-30 10:41           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-05-30 16:55           ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-31 11:14             ` [dm-devel] " Stefan Bader
2007-06-01  3:25               ` Tejun Heo
2007-06-01  5:55                 ` david
2007-06-01  7:16                   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2007-06-01 17:07                     ` [dm-devel] " Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-06-01 18:09                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-10 18:39                     ` Ric Wheeler
2007-07-10 23:40                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-11  2:49                         ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-11 22:44                         ` Ric Wheeler
2007-07-12 17:34                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-07-12 19:43                             ` Ric Wheeler
2007-07-12 23:10                             ` Guy Watkins
2007-07-13 11:30                               ` Ric Wheeler
2007-07-11  2:51                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-29 19:59   ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-31  0:22     ` Neil Brown
2007-05-30  9:35   ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-05 12:28     ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-09 12:27       ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 10:56     ` [PATCH] block: cosmetic changes Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 10:59       ` [PATCH] block: factor out bio_check_eod() Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 11:06         ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 11:18           ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 11:31             ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 11:33               ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 11:34                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 11:41                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 11:45                     ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 11:49                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-18 12:34                         ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-18 12:31                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-28 11:17 ` [RFD] BIO_RW_BARRIER - what it means for devices, filesystems, and dm/md Nikita Danilov
2007-05-31  3:31   ` Neil Brown
2007-05-28 14:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-31  0:37   ` Neil Brown
2007-05-31 12:28     ` Bill Davidsen

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