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From: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
To: Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
Cc: John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org>,
	Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz@lucidpixels.com>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Time to  deprecate old RAID formats?
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:09:06 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <471A0C02.4030407@msgid.tls.msk.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1192810534.1666.68.camel@firewall.xsintricity.com>

Doug Ledford wrote:
[]
> 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 are the same format, just in different positions on
> the disk.  Of the three, the 1.1 format is the safest to use since it
> won't allow you to accidentally have some sort of metadata between the
> beginning of the disk and the raid superblock (such as an lvm2
> superblock), and hence whenever the raid array isn't up, you won't be
> able to accidentally mount the lvm2 volumes, filesystem, etc.  (In worse
> case situations, I've seen lvm2 find a superblock on one RAID1 array
> member when the RAID1 array was down, the system came up, you used the
> system, the two copies of the raid array were made drastically
> inconsistent, then at the next reboot, the situation that prevented the
> RAID1 from starting was resolved, and it never know it failed to start
> last time, and the two inconsistent members we put back into a clean
> array).  So, deprecating any of these is not really helpful.  And you
> need to keep the old 0.90 format around for back compatibility with
> thousands of existing raid arrays.

Well, I strongly, completely disagree.  You described a real-world
situation, and that's unfortunate, BUT: for at least raid1, there ARE
cases, pretty valid ones, when one NEEDS to mount the filesystem without
bringing up raid.  Raid1 allows that.

/mjt

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-20 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-19 14:34 Time to deprecate old RAID formats? John Stoffel
2007-10-19 15:09 ` Justin Piszcz
2007-10-19 15:46   ` John Stoffel
2007-10-19 16:15     ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-19 16:35       ` Justin Piszcz
2007-10-19 16:38       ` John Stoffel
2007-10-19 16:40         ` Justin Piszcz
2007-10-19 16:44           ` John Stoffel
2007-10-19 16:45             ` Justin Piszcz
2007-10-19 17:04               ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-19 17:05                 ` Justin Piszcz
2007-10-19 17:23                   ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-19 17:47                     ` Justin Piszcz
2007-10-20 18:38                       ` Michael Tokarev
2007-10-20 20:02                         ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-19 22:43                     ` chunk size (was Re: Time to deprecate old RAID formats?) Michal Soltys
2007-10-20 13:29                       ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-23 19:21                         ` Michal Soltys
2007-10-24  0:14                           ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-19 17:11         ` Time to deprecate old RAID formats? Doug Ledford
2007-10-19 18:39           ` John Stoffel
2007-10-19 21:23             ` Iustin Pop
2007-10-19 21:42               ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-20  7:53                 ` Iustin Pop
2007-10-20 13:11                   ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-26  9:54                     ` Luca Berra
2007-10-26 16:22                       ` Gabor Gombas
2007-10-26 17:06                         ` Gabor Gombas
2007-10-27 10:34                           ` Luca Berra
2007-10-26 18:52                       ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-26 22:30                         ` Gabor Gombas
2007-10-28  0:26                           ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-28 14:13                             ` Luca Berra
2007-10-28 17:47                               ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-29  8:41                                 ` Luca Berra
2007-10-29 15:30                                   ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-29 21:44                                     ` Luca Berra
2007-10-29 23:05                                       ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-30  3:10                                         ` Neil Brown
2007-10-30  6:55                                         ` Luca Berra
2007-10-30 16:48                                           ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-27  8:00                         ` Luca Berra
2007-10-27 20:09                           ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-28 13:46                             ` Luca Berra
2007-10-23 23:09                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-23 23:03             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-24  0:09               ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-24 23:55                 ` Neil Brown
2007-10-25  0:09                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-25  8:09                     ` David Greaves
2007-10-26  6:16                       ` Neil Brown
2007-10-26 14:18                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-26 18:41                           ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-26 22:20                             ` Gabor Gombas
2007-10-26 22:58                               ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-27 11:11                               ` Luca Berra
2007-10-27 15:20                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-28  0:18                               ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-29  0:44                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-27 21:11                             ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-29  0:48                               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-30  3:25                           ` Neil Brown
2007-11-02 12:31                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-25  7:01                   ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-25 14:49                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-25 15:00                     ` David Greaves
2007-10-26  5:56                     ` Neil Brown
2007-10-24 14:00               ` John Stoffel
2007-10-24 15:18                 ` Mike Snitzer
2007-10-24 15:32                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-20 14:09       ` Michael Tokarev [this message]
2007-10-20 14:24         ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-20 14:52         ` John Stoffel
2007-10-20 15:07           ` Iustin Pop
2007-10-20 15:36             ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-20 18:24           ` Michael Tokarev
2007-10-22 20:39             ` John Stoffel
2007-10-22 22:29               ` Michael Tokarev
2007-10-24  0:42               ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-24  9:40                 ` David Greaves
2007-10-24 20:22                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-25 16:29                   ` Doug Ledford
2007-11-01 21:02                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-02 15:50                   ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-24  0:36             ` Doug Ledford
2007-10-23 23:18           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-19 16:34     ` Justin Piszcz
2007-10-23 23:19       ` Bill Davidsen

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