From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>
To: Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz@lucidpixels.com>
Cc: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
Moshe Yudkowsky <moshe@pobox.com>,
linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: RAID needs more to survive a power hit, different /boot layout for example (was Re: draft howto on making raids for surviving a disk crash)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:25:37 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47A72061.3010800@sandeen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0802040909010.2415@p34.internal.lan>
Justin Piszcz wrote:
> Why avoid XFS entirely?
>
> esandeen, any comments here?
Heh; well, it's the meme.
see:
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#nulls
and note that recent fixes have been made in this area (also noted in
the faq)
Also - the above all assumes that when a drive says it's written/flushed
data, that it truly has. Modern write-caching drives can wreak havoc
with any journaling filesystem, so that's one good reason for a UPS. If
the drive claims to have metadata safe on disk but actually does not,
and you lose power, the data claimed safe will evaporate, there's not
much the fs can do. IO write barriers address this by forcing the drive
to flush order-critical data before continuing; xfs has them on by
default, although they are tested at mount time and if you have
something in between xfs and the disks which does not support barriers
(i.e. lvm...) then they are disabled again, with a notice in the logs.
Note also that ext3 has the barrier option as well, but it is not
enabled by default due to performance concerns. Barriers also affect
xfs performance, but enabling them in the non-battery-backed-write-cache
scenario is the right thing to do for filesystem integrity.
-Eric
> Justin.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-02-04 14:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-02-03 19:15 RAID needs more to survive a power hit, different /boot layout for example (was Re: draft howto on making raids for surviving a disk crash) Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-02-03 20:01 ` Robin Hill
2008-02-03 20:46 ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-02-03 22:01 ` Robin Hill
2008-02-04 11:06 ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-02-04 11:40 ` Robin Hill
2008-02-03 20:28 ` Michael Tokarev
2008-02-03 20:54 ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-02-03 21:04 ` Michael Tokarev
2008-02-04 9:27 ` Michael Tokarev
2008-02-04 10:58 ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-02-04 13:52 ` Michael Tokarev
2008-02-04 14:09 ` Justin Piszcz
2008-02-04 14:25 ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2008-02-04 14:42 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-02-04 15:31 ` Moshe Yudkowsky
2008-02-04 16:45 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-02-04 17:22 ` Michael Tokarev
2008-02-05 12:31 ` Linda Walsh
2008-02-04 16:38 ` Michael Tokarev
2008-02-04 19:02 ` Richard Scobie
2008-02-04 22:27 ` Justin Piszcz
2008-02-06 1:12 ` Linda Walsh
2008-02-06 2:12 ` Michael Tokarev
2008-02-06 9:14 ` Luca Berra
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