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From: Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+list@rabbit.us>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
Cc: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>, Bas van Schaik <bas@tuxes.nl>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Redundancy check using "echo check > sync_action": error	reporting?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:35:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47E3F1EF.3030705@rabbit.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080321171348.GK7991@mit.edu>

Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 03:52:31PM +0100, Peter Rabbitson wrote:
>> I was actually specifically advocating that md must _not_ do anything on 
>> its own. Just provide the hooks to get information (what is the current 
>> stripe state) and update information (the described repair extension). The 
>> logic that you are describing can live only in an external app, it has no 
>> place in-kernel.
> 
> Why not?  If md doesn't do anything on its own, then when it detects a
> disagreement between the data and the two parity blocks, it has two
> choices (a) return possibly incorrect data to the application, or (b)
> return an I/O error and cause the application to blow up.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> So what's the harm in having an option where md does exactly what ECC
> memory does, which is when it can fix things up, to do so?  I bet most
> system administrators would turn it on in a heartbeat.
> 

With ECC memory you are checking for inconsistency on _every_single_read_ 
whereas the md scrubbing happens at best once a month if the admin turned the 
feature on. Moreover when md actually detects a mismatch the overwhelming 
chance is nobody needs this block at this moment, and might not need it for 
days to come. I think what is eluding this thread is the fact that md does not 
read _any_ redundant blocks unless it absolutely has to. And when it has to - 
you already have a missing chunk and can not apply ECC techniques either.


Of course it would be possible to instruct md to always read all data+parity 
chunks and make a comparison on every read. The performance would not be much 
to write home about though.

Peter

  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-21 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-16 14:21 Redundancy check using "echo check > sync_action": error reporting? Bas van Schaik
2008-03-16 15:14 ` Janek Kozicki
2008-03-20 13:32   ` Bas van Schaik
2008-03-20 13:47     ` Robin Hill
2008-03-20 14:19       ` Bas van Schaik
2008-03-20 14:45         ` Robin Hill
2008-03-20 15:16           ` Bas van Schaik
2008-03-20 16:04             ` Robin Hill
2008-03-20 16:35         ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-20 17:10           ` Robin Hill
2008-03-20 17:39           ` Andre Noll
2008-03-20 18:02             ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-20 18:57               ` Andre Noll
2008-03-21 14:02               ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-21 20:19               ` NeilBrown
2008-03-21 20:45                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-22 17:13                 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-03-20 23:08           ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-03-21 14:24             ` Bill Davidsen
2008-03-21 14:52               ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-03-21 17:13                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-21 17:35                   ` Peter Rabbitson [this message]
2008-03-22 13:27                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-22 14:00                       ` Bas van Schaik
2008-03-25  4:44                       ` Neil Brown
2008-03-25 15:17                         ` Bill Davidsen
2008-03-25  9:19                       ` Mattias Wadenstein
2008-03-21 17:43                   ` Robin Hill
2008-03-21 23:01                 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-03-21 23:45                   ` Carlos Carvalho
2008-03-22 17:19                     ` Bill Davidsen
2008-03-21 23:55                   ` Robin Hill
2008-03-22 10:03                     ` Peter Rabbitson
2008-03-22 10:42                       ` What do Events actually mean? Justin Piszcz
2008-03-22 17:35                         ` David Greaves
2008-03-22 17:48                           ` Justin Piszcz
2008-03-22 18:02                             ` David Greaves
2008-03-25  3:58                         ` Neil Brown
2008-03-26  8:57                           ` David Greaves
2008-03-26  8:57                           ` David Greaves
2008-05-04  7:30                       ` Redundancy check using "echo check > sync_action": error reporting? Peter Rabbitson
2008-05-06  6:36                         ` Luca Berra
2008-03-25  4:24             ` Neil Brown
2008-03-25  9:00               ` Peter Rabbitson

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