From: Michael Evans <mjevans1983@gmail.com>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
Cc: Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux mdadm superblock question.
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:07:45 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4877c76c1002141207s7bac4275xd12ed75e46a670c4@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100214193406.GA15722@khazad-dum.debian.net>
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
<hmh@hmh.eng.br> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Michael Evans wrote:
>> I remember hearing that 1.x had /no/ plans for kernel level
>> auto-detection ever. That can be accomplished in early-userspace
>> leaving the code in the kernel much less complex, and therefore far
>> more reliable.
>
> Yes, it is far more reliable kernel side, if only because it doesn't do
> anything.
>
> But the userspace reliability is _not_ good. initrds are a source of
> problems the moment things start to go wrong, and that's when they are not
> the problem themselves.
>
> And the end result is a system that needs manual intervention to get its
> root filesystem back.
>
> In my experience, every time we moved critical codepaths to userspace, we
> ended up decreasing the *overall* system reliability.
>
> --
> "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
> them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
> where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
> Henrique Holschuh
>
Maybe you'd like a simple, easy to customize initramfs creator.
That's exactly what I was aiming for when I made AEUIO
https://sourceforge.net/projects/aeuio There are some things that
could use improvement, but if your system can boot without loading
modules it should be more than sufficient even across kernel versions.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-14 20:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-14 1:51 Linux mdadm superblock question Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 4:02 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 7:21 ` david
2010-02-14 8:38 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 18:40 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 18:53 ` John Robinson
2010-02-14 21:16 ` Gabor Gombas
[not found] ` <201002142013.24922.volkerarmin@googlemail.com>
2010-02-16 14:28 ` John Robinson
2010-02-16 14:37 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-16 14:46 ` Robin Hill
2010-02-16 17:23 ` John Robinson
2010-02-16 19:38 ` Luca Berra
2010-02-16 17:18 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-16 21:06 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-16 22:00 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-16 22:18 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 14:25 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-18 9:27 ` Ian Dall
2010-02-17 1:03 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-17 2:01 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-17 2:38 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 23:15 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-17 6:34 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17 9:38 ` Rudy Zijlstra
2010-02-17 13:26 ` Frans Pop
2010-02-17 20:54 ` Gabor Gombas
2010-02-17 21:29 ` Frans Pop
2010-02-18 3:40 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-17 16:22 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17 17:41 ` david
2010-02-17 18:10 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 18:27 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 18:37 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 18:41 ` david
2010-02-17 18:51 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 21:17 ` david
2010-02-17 21:37 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 22:21 ` david
2010-02-17 22:29 ` boot times, not mdadm (was: Linux mdadm superblock question.) martin f krafft
2010-02-17 23:24 ` (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question Neil Brown
2010-02-17 23:50 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18 2:58 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-18 3:26 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18 4:03 ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-18 4:40 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18 5:10 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-18 5:21 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18 5:34 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-19 0:42 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-19 2:51 ` Daniel Reurich
[not found] ` <20100221171445.GB17267@lapse.rw.madduck.net>
2010-02-22 7:06 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-22 7:37 ` Bug#567468: " Michael Evans
2010-02-22 9:14 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-22 9:11 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-22 10:42 ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-19 9:16 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
[not found] ` <20100221174007.GB19058@lapse.rw.madduck.net>
[not found] ` <20100221201304.GB2570@lazy.lzy>
2010-02-22 9:16 ` Bug#567468: md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question martin f krafft
2010-02-22 11:11 ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-23 7:29 ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-23 8:10 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-23 2:30 ` md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question Neil Brown
2010-02-23 6:27 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-23 7:31 ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-23 8:16 ` Bug#567468: " martin f krafft
2010-02-24 13:13 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-24 17:52 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-02-24 22:23 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-23 8:18 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2010-02-24 0:10 ` md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question Neil Brown
2010-02-24 4:12 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-24 13:41 ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-24 22:30 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-25 7:16 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-25 7:46 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-25 8:33 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-25 11:55 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-02-18 5:17 ` (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question Daniel Reurich
2010-02-18 5:22 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-17 18:46 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 22:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-18 3:33 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-18 7:51 ` Luca Berra
2010-02-18 14:12 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-19 9:04 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 19:34 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 20:07 ` Michael Evans [this message]
2010-02-14 21:14 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 20:47 ` Asdo
2010-02-14 21:26 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 21:28 ` Gabor Gombas
2010-02-15 9:08 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-15 7:51 ` Luca Berra
[not found] <edBWa-K7-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <edDXX-3XC-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <edRHA-7bL-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <eezfA-4N7-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2010-02-16 21:10 ` Bodo Eggert
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-02-11 23:00 Justin Piszcz
2010-02-12 1:52 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-12 9:06 ` Robin Hill
2010-02-12 21:53 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-16 0:57 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16 16:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-13 19:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-13 20:07 ` Justin Piszcz
2010-02-13 20:49 ` david
2010-02-13 21:07 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-13 21:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 20:25 ` Asdo
2010-02-14 21:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 21:34 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 23:20 ` Rudy Zijlstra
2010-02-15 3:40 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-15 7:12 ` Luca Berra
2010-02-16 0:38 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16 0:27 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16 1:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-16 3:18 ` david
2010-02-16 4:42 ` John Robinson
2010-02-16 7:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-16 8:46 ` Rudy Zijlstra
2010-02-16 17:05 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-16 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-16 10:12 ` Giovanni Tessore
2010-02-17 23:10 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16 3:40 ` CaT
2010-02-13 6:42 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-13 8:37 ` Giovanni Tessore
2010-02-13 9:26 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-13 9:35 ` Giovanni Tessore
2010-02-13 9:40 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-13 10:06 ` Giovanni Tessore
2010-02-16 0:50 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16 13:14 ` Justin Piszcz
2010-02-17 23:11 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16 17:24 ` Bill Davidsen
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