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From: Michael Evans <mjevans1983@gmail.com>
To: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
Cc: Daniel Reurich <daniel@centurion.net.nz>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	linux-raid <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>,
	567468@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question.
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:37:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4877c76c1002212337i36f208dcyd1be7a93625d2a6@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <873a0t4ume.fsf@frosties.localdomain>

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Goswin von Brederlow
<goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
> martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> writes:
>
>> also sprach Daniel Reurich <daniel@centurion.net.nz> [2010.02.19.0351 +0100]:
>>> But if a generated 'system uuid' value (I just suggested the root fs
>>> UUID because it would be highly unlikely to be unchanged, and nobody
>>> would be likely to fiddle with it) was copied into a file
>>> called /etc/system_uuid and copied into the initrd, then we could add
>>> put into mdadms hook script in initramfs-tools, to verify and update the
>>> homehost variable in the boot time required raid volumes when ever a new
>>> initrd is installed.  (This generally happens on debian whenever a
>>> kernel is installed and mdadm is installed or upgraded.
>>
>> Neil's point is that no such value exists. The root filesystem UUID
>> is not available when the array is created. And updating the
>> homehost in the RAID metadata at boot time would defeat the purpose
>> of homehost in the first place.
>>
>>> As an added protection we could include checks in mdadm shutdown
>>> script a check that warns when mdadm.conf doesn't exist and the
>>> /etc/system_uuid doesn't match the homehost value in the boottime
>>> assembled raid volumes.  If we did use the root filesystem UUID
>>> for this, we could compare that as well.
>>
>> Debian has no policy for this. There is no way to warn a user and
>> interrupt the shutdown process.
>>
>>> It would be useful to have a tool similar to /bin/hostname that
>>> could be used to create|read|verify|update the system uuid, which
>>> would update all the relevant locations which store and check
>>> against this system uuid.
>>
>> Yes, it would be useful to have a system UUID that could be
>> generated by the installer and henceforth written to the newly
>> installed system. This is probably something the LSB should push.
>> But you could also bring it up for discussion on debian-devel.
>
> How would that work with network boot where the initrd would have to
> work for multiple hosts?
>
> MfG
>        Goswin
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I don't know how whatever was mentioned previously would work for
that, but I do have a solution.

Incremental assembly, or examine with all block devices to generate a
new mdadm.conf file.  Then run only devices which are in a complete
state.  The next step would be not mount by uuid, but mount by label.
Presuming you have a consistently labeled rootfs in your deployment
(say mandating that the / filesystem be labeled 'root' or some other
value and that no other FS may share that same label) then it should
work out just fine.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-22  7:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-14  1:51 Linux mdadm superblock question Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14  4:02 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14  7:21   ` david
2010-02-14  8:38     ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 18:40   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 18:53     ` John Robinson
2010-02-14 21:16       ` Gabor Gombas
     [not found]       ` <201002142013.24922.volkerarmin@googlemail.com>
2010-02-16 14:28         ` John Robinson
2010-02-16 14:37           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-16 14:46             ` Robin Hill
2010-02-16 17:23             ` John Robinson
2010-02-16 19:38             ` Luca Berra
2010-02-16 17:18     ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-16 21:06       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-16 22:00         ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-16 22:18           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 14:25             ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-18  9:27             ` Ian Dall
2010-02-17  1:03       ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-17  2:01         ` Neil Brown
2010-02-17  2:38           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 23:15             ` Neil Brown
2010-02-17  6:34           ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17  9:38             ` Rudy Zijlstra
2010-02-17 13:26               ` Frans Pop
2010-02-17 20:54                 ` Gabor Gombas
2010-02-17 21:29                   ` Frans Pop
2010-02-18  3:40                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-17 16:22               ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17 17:41                 ` david
2010-02-17 18:10                   ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 18:27                     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 18:37                       ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 18:41                         ` david
2010-02-17 18:51                           ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 21:17                             ` david
2010-02-17 21:37                               ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 22:21                                 ` david
2010-02-17 22:29                                 ` boot times, not mdadm (was: Linux mdadm superblock question.) martin f krafft
2010-02-17 23:24                           ` (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question Neil Brown
2010-02-17 23:50                             ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18  2:58                             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-18  3:26                               ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18  4:03                                 ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-18  4:40                                   ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18  5:10                                     ` Neil Brown
2010-02-18  5:21                                       ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18  5:34                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-02-19  0:42                                           ` martin f krafft
2010-02-19  2:51                                             ` Daniel Reurich
     [not found]                                               ` <20100221171445.GB17267@lapse.rw.madduck.net>
2010-02-22  7:06                                                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-22  7:37                                                   ` Michael Evans [this message]
2010-02-22  9:14                                                     ` Bug#567468: " martin f krafft
2010-02-22  9:11                                                   ` martin f krafft
2010-02-22 10:42                                                     ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-19  9:16                                             ` Piergiorgio Sartor
     [not found]                                               ` <20100221174007.GB19058@lapse.rw.madduck.net>
     [not found]                                                 ` <20100221201304.GB2570@lazy.lzy>
2010-02-22  9:16                                                   ` Bug#567468: md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question martin f krafft
2010-02-22 11:11                                                     ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-23  7:29                                                       ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-23  8:10                                                         ` martin f krafft
2010-02-23  2:30                                                     ` md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question Neil Brown
2010-02-23  6:27                                                       ` martin f krafft
2010-02-23  7:31                                                         ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-23  8:16                                                           ` Bug#567468: " martin f krafft
2010-02-24 13:13                                                             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-24 17:52                                                               ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-02-24 22:23                                                                 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-23  8:18                                                           ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2010-02-24  0:10                                                         ` md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question Neil Brown
2010-02-24  4:12                                                           ` Michael Evans
2010-02-24 13:41                                                           ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-24 22:30                                                             ` Neil Brown
2010-02-25  7:16                                                               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-25  7:46                                                                 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-25  8:33                                                                   ` Michael Evans
2010-02-25 11:55                                                                 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-02-18  5:17                                     ` (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question Daniel Reurich
2010-02-18  5:22                                       ` martin f krafft
2010-02-17 18:46                         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 22:26                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-18  3:33                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-18  7:51                       ` Luca Berra
2010-02-18 14:12                       ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-19  9:04                         ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 19:34   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 20:07     ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 21:14       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 20:47     ` Asdo
2010-02-14 21:26       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 21:28       ` Gabor Gombas
2010-02-15  9:08         ` martin f krafft
2010-02-15  7:51 ` Luca Berra

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