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From: "Tkaczyk, Mariusz" <mariusz.tkaczyk@linux.intel.com>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4 v4] mdmon: bad block support for external metadata - clear bad blocks
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:04:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4912c8dd-e15f-07aa-23a8-98d794169e8e@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <163287340289.31063.8425995521501370134@noble.neil.brown.name>

Hi Neil,
Thanks for your analysis and suggestions.
I will try to address them.

We are testing current implementation and it is working (at least for
tested scenarios).

Thanks,
Mariusz

On 29.09.2021 01:56, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2016, Tomasz Majchrzak wrote:
>> If an update of acknowledged bad blocks file is notified, read entire
>> bad block list from sysfs file and compare it against local list of bad
>> blocks. If any obsolete entries are found, remove them from metadata.
>>
>> As mdmon cannot perform any memory allocation, new superswitch method
>> get_bad_blocks is expected to return a list of bad blocks in metadata
>> without allocating memory. It's up to metadata handler to allocate all
>> required memory in advance.
> 
> hi,
>   only 5 years late to this party :-)
> 
>   I recently had cause the look at this code and ... there are problems.
> 
>   Primarily, it assumes that the "bad_blocks" file contains a complete
>   list of bad blocks known to the kernel.  This is not correct.
>   As the documentation and nearby comments say, the contents of this file
>   is truncated to PAGE_SIZE.  It is not meant to be a complete list, only
>   an indicative list.
>   There is no way to get a complete list from the kernel once the list
>   gets too large.  Probably we should design and implement a reliable way
>   to extract this information.  I imagine it would be something like
>   unacknowledged_bad_blocks, in that mdmon could read some information,
>   then confirm that it has been read, then read some more.  But until
>   that it done, this code should be careful not to assume that the list
>   is complete - at least not without checking.
> 
>   Secondly, the interface with the metadata handler is a bit odd.
>   The 'check_for_cleared_bb' essentially does:
>     - call ->record_bad_block  for all blocks known to the kernel
>     - call ->clear_bad_block   for all blocks that were in the metadata
>    in that order.
>    It isn't quite that simple as there are optimisations:
>      if a range from kernel exactly matches a range in metadata, the
>        range is neither recorded or cleared
>      If a range from the kernel is a subrange of a range in metadata,
>        then the larger range is cleared before the new range is added,
>        AS WELL AS after.
> 
>    If there are other overlaps, then the kernel range is recorded
>    before the metadata range is cleared.  This *seems* wrong.  I would
>    expect this to clear part of the range that had just been added.
> 
>    However, it doesn't.  The ->clear_bad_block interface *DOESN'T* remove
>    all the block in the range from the bbl.  Rather, if the exact range
>    given appears as one of the ranges in the bbl, then that range is
>    deleted.  Otherwise no change happens.
>    These semantics are surprising.  The net result is that the code
>    probably works with the imsm backend.  However if someone else wrote a
>    different backend which implemented ->clear_bad_block to actually
>    remove the entire range from the bbl, then it would clear more blocks
>    than it should.
> 
>    I think it would be really good to re-implement this code in a way
>    that was more maintainable.
>    I don't think "check_for_cleared_bb()" should *ever* record new bad
>    block ranges.  They get recorded through the unacknowledged_bad_block
>    processing.  "check_for_cleared_bb()" should ONLY delete blocks from the
>    bbl, and it should ONLY do that if it certain that the information in
>    "bad_blocks" is complete.
> 
>    It should read bad_blocks in a single read().  If the returned data
>    ends with a newline, and is not a power-of-2 in size, then it is
>    safe to assume that it is complete.
>    If it doesn't end with a newline, then it is definitely not complete.
>    If it is a power-of-2 less than 4096, then it can be assumed to be
>    complete.  If it is exactly 4096 bytes, or a larger power of two, then
>    it is not safe to assume that it is complete.
> 
> Thanks,
> NeilBrown
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-29  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-27  8:53 [PATCH 1/4 v2] mdadm: bad block support for external metadata - initialization Tomasz Majchrzak
2016-10-27  8:53 ` [PATCH 2/4 v2] mdmon: bad block support for external metadata - sysfs file open Tomasz Majchrzak
2016-11-28 22:46   ` Jes Sorensen
2016-10-27  8:53 ` [PATCH 3/4 v2] mdmon: bad block support for external metadata - store bad blocks Tomasz Majchrzak
2016-11-28 22:49   ` Jes Sorensen
2016-10-27  8:53 ` [PATCH 4/4 v4] mdmon: bad block support for external metadata - clear " Tomasz Majchrzak
2016-11-28 22:50   ` Jes Sorensen
2021-09-28 23:56   ` NeilBrown
2021-09-29  8:04     ` Tkaczyk, Mariusz [this message]
2016-11-24 14:01 ` [PATCH 1/4 v2] mdadm: bad block support for external metadata - initialization Tomasz Majchrzak
2016-11-24 15:53   ` Jes Sorensen
2016-11-28 13:43     ` Jes Sorensen
2016-11-28 13:34 ` Jes Sorensen
2016-11-28 14:07   ` [PATCH 1/4] " Tomasz Majchrzak
2016-11-28 22:45     ` Jes Sorensen

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