From: Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+list@rabbit.us>
To: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
Cc: Micha Przyuski <mikylie@gmail.com>,
Daniel Reurich <daniel@centurion.net.nz>,
linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, neilb@suse.de
Subject: Re: md extension to support booting from raid whole disks.
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 09:20:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A052EBE.5010605@rabbit.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ab5n45dc.fsf@frosties.localdomain>
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Micha³ Przy³uski <mikylie@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> The point was not to add redundancy but to remove complexity.
>
> Just look at what you need to do for the next generation of disks
> (>2TB):
>
> - Create a MS Dos partition table with a fake /boot partition in the
> first 2TB.
> - Create a GPT table with a matching /boot partition and the rest
> - Create a raid1 for /boot
> - Create a raidX for the rest
>
> Now you have to watch 2 raids and add/remove partitions from 2 raids,
> You also need to copy the bootloader to every new disk you add.
>
> The idea is to bring this down to:
>
> - Create raidX over all disks
>
>> it a hidden raid1 over first few sectors is just creating an
>> automation that gains nothing and makes things unnecessarily
>> complicated inside.
>
> If the hidden raid1 is just reserved space that is considered part of
> the raid metadata then this moves completly into mdadm userspace. The
> extra complexity comes down to "read reserved space from old disk,
> write reserved space to new disk". In the most basic form that is 3
> lines of code (declare buffer, read, write).
>
This is the best description of the problem/benefit so far. Also when
deciding on the size of the reserved space, factor in possible
bitmap size explosion when moving from say a 4x300G raid6 to a 4x2T raid6.
+1 on this feature request
Cheers
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-09 7:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-24 12:08 md extension to support booting from raid whole disks Daniel Reurich
2009-04-27 15:08 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-28 4:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-28 6:26 ` Luca Berra
2009-04-28 9:35 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-28 11:21 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 17:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-28 22:23 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29 0:02 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 11:32 ` John Robinson
2009-04-28 18:24 ` Dan Williams
2009-04-28 22:19 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 22:26 ` Dan Williams
2009-05-01 21:04 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-01 21:24 ` Dan Williams
2009-05-01 22:33 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-02 12:07 ` John Robinson
2009-05-04 17:02 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-05 9:31 ` Michal Soltys
2009-04-28 23:05 ` Neil Brown
2009-04-28 23:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29 0:00 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 0:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29 0:20 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 0:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29 0:43 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 6:43 ` Gabor Gombas
2009-05-01 21:10 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-01 22:36 ` Rudy Zijlstra
2009-05-02 1:04 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-02 17:02 ` Michał Przyłuski
2009-05-03 1:33 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-05-03 4:25 ` NeilBrown
2009-05-03 18:05 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-05-04 3:04 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-08 21:50 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-08 22:16 ` NeilBrown
2009-05-08 22:29 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-12 5:39 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-12 19:44 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-13 11:12 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-14 2:21 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-15 16:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 12:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-05-08 22:06 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-09 7:20 ` Peter Rabbitson [this message]
2009-05-10 1:29 ` Goswin von Brederlow
[not found] ` <87presxwu4.fsf@frosties.localdomain>
[not found] ` <1241219902.9516.6.camel@poledra.romunt.nl>
[not found] ` <87bpq8n6ym.fsf@frosties.localdomain>
2009-05-04 20:57 ` Rudy Zijlstra
2009-05-04 22:33 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-05 0:26 ` John Robinson
2009-05-05 9:03 ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2009-05-08 21:18 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-29 22:43 ` md extension to support booting from raid whole disks, raid6, grub2, lvm2 Michael Ole Olsen
2009-05-01 21:36 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-29 7:45 ` md extension to support booting from raid whole disks Luca Berra
2009-04-29 16:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29 20:38 ` Luca Berra
2009-04-30 6:59 ` Gabor Gombas
2009-04-30 8:11 ` Luca Berra
2009-04-30 13:01 ` John Robinson
2009-04-28 23:41 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 0:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-01 21:33 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-28 7:08 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 23:07 ` Neil Brown
2009-04-28 23:21 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 23:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29 0:05 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 0:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29 0:36 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 0:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <1240968482.18303.1028.camel@ezra>
[not found] ` <49F7B162.8060301@zytor.com>
2009-04-29 2:08 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 2:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-30 2:41 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 7:07 ` Gabor Gombas
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