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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Daniel Reurich <daniel@centurion.net.nz>,
	Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>,
	Linux RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: md extension to support booting from raid whole disks.
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:13:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A0D94AA.8020803@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18954.43834.53155.793587@notabene.brown>

Neil Brown wrote:
> 
> Having a replicated boot loader and having a raid1 are conceptually
> quite different things.
> A raid1 says "keep N (typically 2) copies of the data somewhere for
> me".
> A replicated boot loader says "store this boot loader on every
> bootable device".
> One is more abstract, the other is more concrete.
> 
> Maybe it is a very subtle distinction, but I think it is worth
> maintaining.  Get your boot-loader-installer to install at the front
> of every drive - don't bother having a raid1 there that is never read
> and hardly ever written..
> 

I think it is an unfortunate distinction (although I see why you want to
make it), and one which goes in the wrong direction.

As I've stated many times (and not just in this debate), I believe using
the RAID-1 mechanism to replicate /boot across the entire span of
devices is the right thing to do.  Not just the boot loader, but all of
/boot.

Once you do that, you do want to write it on a regular basis, and using
the RAID-1 code is the obvious way to do it.  You can argue that it is
an accidental effect of the way the current Linux RAID-1 code does it,
but it's nevertheless extremely useful, widely deployed, and extremely
resilient.

	-hpa

-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-15 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-24 12:08 md extension to support booting from raid whole disks Daniel Reurich
2009-04-27 15:08 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-28  4:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-28  6:26     ` Luca Berra
2009-04-28  9:35     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-28 11:21       ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 17:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-28 22:23         ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 23:30           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:02             ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 11:32               ` John Robinson
2009-04-28 18:24     ` Dan Williams
2009-04-28 22:19       ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 22:26         ` Dan Williams
2009-05-01 21:04           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-01 21:24             ` Dan Williams
2009-05-01 22:33               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-02 12:07                 ` John Robinson
2009-05-04 17:02                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-05  9:31                   ` Michal Soltys
2009-04-28 23:05         ` Neil Brown
2009-04-28 23:20           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:00             ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  0:04               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:20                 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  0:28                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:43                     ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  6:43                       ` Gabor Gombas
2009-05-01 21:10                         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-01 22:36                           ` Rudy Zijlstra
2009-05-02  1:04                             ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-02 17:02                               ` Michał Przyłuski
2009-05-03  1:33                                 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-05-03  4:25                                   ` NeilBrown
2009-05-03 18:05                                     ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-05-04  3:04                                     ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-08 21:50                                       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-08 22:16                                         ` NeilBrown
2009-05-08 22:29                                           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-12  5:39                                             ` Neil Brown
2009-05-12 19:44                                               ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-13 11:12                                                 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-14  2:21                                                   ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-15 16:13                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2009-05-13 12:15                                               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-05-08 22:06                                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-09  7:20                                   ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-05-10  1:29                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
     [not found]                             ` <87presxwu4.fsf@frosties.localdomain>
     [not found]                               ` <1241219902.9516.6.camel@poledra.romunt.nl>
     [not found]                                 ` <87bpq8n6ym.fsf@frosties.localdomain>
2009-05-04 20:57                                   ` Rudy Zijlstra
2009-05-04 22:33                                     ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-05  0:26                                       ` John Robinson
2009-05-05  9:03                                         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2009-05-08 21:18                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-29 22:43                   ` md extension to support booting from raid whole disks, raid6, grub2, lvm2 Michael Ole Olsen
2009-05-01 21:36                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-29  7:45             ` md extension to support booting from raid whole disks Luca Berra
2009-04-29 16:55               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29 20:38                 ` Luca Berra
2009-04-30  6:59               ` Gabor Gombas
2009-04-30  8:11                 ` Luca Berra
2009-04-30 13:01                   ` John Robinson
2009-04-28 23:41           ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  0:01             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-01 21:33           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-28  7:08   ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 23:07 ` Neil Brown
2009-04-28 23:21   ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 23:37   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:05     ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  0:06       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:36         ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  0:44           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]             ` <1240968482.18303.1028.camel@ezra>
     [not found]               ` <49F7B162.8060301@zytor.com>
2009-04-29  2:08                 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  2:33                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-30  2:41             ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  7:07           ` Gabor Gombas

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