From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Adding a smaller drive
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:01:58 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A4A4506.1070003@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090628194705152.ITZI24524@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>
Leslie Rhorer wrote:
>>> I have a few questions. Some RAID implementations will simply
>>> refuse to create or grow an array if all the targets are not precisely
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> same size. Clearly this is not the case for mdadm. Not all drives of a
>>> given "size" are actually precisely the same size, however, and I am
>>>
>> using
>>
>>> unpartitioned drives for my RAID systems. What happens if I add a drive
>>> whose apparent physical size is a bit smaller than the device size used
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> create the array?
>>>
>> For RAID 4/5/6, I think it'll be refused.
>>
>
> Do you know if the refusal would include an error message clearly
> indicating why the growth is refused?
>
>
>> You have to shrink the
>> filesystem, and LVM if you use it, then the array, so the used size is
>> no bigger than the new drive - as you've noted, md doesn't mind if it
>> doesn't use all the available space on its constituent devices. If it's
>> a small reduction, as I imagine it would be, and your filesystem
>> supports shrinking, it won't take long to do the the shrinks. Then
>> adding the new drive will be painless. If your filesystem won't shrink -
>> and some (many?) won't - I suspect you're scuppered.
>>
>
> I'm no longer using LVM on any of the servers, and I've converted to
> XFS on RAID 5 and RAID 6 arrays. At this time XFS does not support
> shrinking. I've seen some chatter on the web about 3rd party utilities
> which might make it possible.
>
> For growing an array, this would be a bit of a pain, but probably
> not a show stopper. Even for a failed drive I could probably just send the
> new drive back and purchase a different model whose real size is as large or
> larger than the extant drives. The problem is, waiting that long for a new
> drive or doing anything significant (like multiple shrinks!) to a partially
> failed array sends shivers up my spine.
>
> I may have to rethink my position on using raw drives. If I
> partition the drives, I can make the partition a bit smaller than the whole
> drive, allowing for the addition of a future drive whose size is a bit off.
> I hate to waste space, but being stuck with an undersized or limping array
> is worse.
>
Some manufacturers use the HPA (host protected area) to reduce the size
available to the user. You will see reference to this in the dmesg
output. There is a tool to let you see/set HPA, but I can't put my hand
on the info right now, the one I have is out of date, so I won't mention it.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Obscure bug of 2004: BASH BUFFER OVERFLOW - if bash is being run by a
normal user and is setuid root, with the "vi" line edit mode selected,
and the character set is "big5," an off-by-one error occurs during
wildcard (glob) expansion.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-30 17:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-28 18:31 Adding a smaller drive Leslie Rhorer
2009-06-28 19:05 ` John Robinson
2009-06-28 19:47 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-06-28 21:09 ` John Robinson
2009-06-28 21:22 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-06-28 22:52 ` John Robinson
2009-06-28 23:07 ` John Robinson
2009-06-29 10:05 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-07-01 4:16 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-06-28 21:33 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-06-28 21:49 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-06-28 22:33 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2009-06-28 22:51 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-06-28 23:37 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2009-06-28 23:43 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-06-28 23:57 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2009-07-01 4:12 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-07-01 5:25 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-07-03 15:46 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-07-06 0:05 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-07-07 3:15 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-06-28 23:54 ` John Robinson
2009-06-29 0:02 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2009-06-29 10:07 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-06-29 14:45 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-07-03 16:12 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-07-03 17:23 ` Billy Crook
2009-07-04 14:59 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-07-04 15:20 ` John Robinson
2009-07-05 22:03 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-07-05 22:12 ` John Robinson
2009-07-07 2:57 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-06-30 17:01 ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2009-06-30 18:22 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-07-01 18:53 ` Bill Davidsen
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