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From: berk walker <berk@panix.com>
To: Mattias Wadenstein <maswan@acc.umu.se>
Cc: Christian Pernegger <pernegger@gmail.com>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, adfas asd <chimera_god@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Is My Data DESTROYED?!
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:49:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AE2410A.10603@panix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0910232250100.5182@montezuma.acc.umu.se>

Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Christian Pernegger wrote:
> 
>>> I believe you are confusing raid with backup.
>>
>> For lots of people the primary role of RAID is as a protection against
>> data-loss nowadays. Backups just aren't feasible/cost-effective
>> anymore for the amounts of data involved. Sticking your head in the
>> sand and repeating that mantra doesn't change that and it isn't
>> helping.
> 
> Well, claiming that RAID will protect your data under all circumstances 
> isn't helping either. Backups will actually protect against such things 
> as rm -rf:ing the wrong directory or mkfs:ing the wrong device, etc. 
> Things that RAID will never protect against.
> 
> And I don't see how backups aren't feasable, USB/network harddrives keep 
> pace with in-box harddrive sizes just fine. Offsite backup might be 
> trickier/costlier, so you might constrain those to just the data that 
> you would be really sad to see gone if the house burns down (photo 
> album, own creations, etc).
> 
> /Mattias Wadenstein
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> 
Sir - Whereas Neil, et al, profess that RAID is NOT equal to BACKUP - 
Most of us know that tape backup is VERY costly, in several ways, in our 
multi-terrabyte situations. Your mention of USB/network solutions does 
beg the obvious question-- How would one do USB/network solutions 
without some degree of encoded backup, and trust?  BTW, worse yet is 
implied trust in Cloud, eh?

And then, you say:

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-10-23 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <70ed7c3e0910221840o795a61b9u77774725386868e2@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-23  2:04 ` Is My Data DESTROYED?! adfas asd
2009-10-23 20:32   ` Billy Crook
2009-10-23 20:46     ` Christian Pernegger
2009-10-23 20:57       ` Mattias Wadenstein
2009-10-23 21:44         ` Billy Crook
2009-10-23 22:00           ` adfas asd
2009-10-23 22:46             ` Billy Crook
2009-10-23 22:49               ` adfas asd
2009-10-23 23:54             ` berk walker
2009-10-24  0:13               ` berk walker
2009-10-25  0:22           ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-23 21:55         ` adfas asd
2009-10-23 22:36           ` Guy Watkins
2009-10-23 23:05           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-10-23 23:20             ` adfas asd
2009-10-23 23:20             ` NeilBrown
2009-10-23 23:25             ` Ben DJ
2009-10-24  3:39               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-10-24 12:01                 ` adfas asd
2009-10-24 14:59                   ` Christopher Chen
2009-10-25  1:52                     ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-25  2:03                       ` Christopher Chen
2009-10-25  2:30                         ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-25  5:26                           ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-10-25  5:41                             ` Guy Watkins
2009-10-25  6:21                               ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-10-25 22:55                                 ` Guy Watkins
2009-10-26  1:36                                   ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-26  2:40                                     ` Guy Watkins
2009-10-26  7:32                                       ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-10-26 18:14                                         ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-10-26 23:14                                           ` John Robinson
2009-10-27  2:50                                           ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-27  3:15                                             ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-10-27 14:37                                               ` adfas asd
2009-11-02 22:53                                                 ` NiftyFedora Mitch
2009-10-26 23:21                                       ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-25  6:15                             ` Christopher Chen
2009-10-25 13:06                             ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-25 12:46                     ` adfas asd
2009-10-25 13:38                       ` Gabor Gombas
2009-10-25 15:47                         ` adfas asd
2009-10-25 18:12                           ` Christopher Chen
2009-10-25 18:33                           ` Gabor Gombas
2009-10-25 14:16                       ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-25 16:06                         ` adfas asd
2009-10-25 16:58                           ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-10-26  0:55                           ` Doug Ledford
2009-10-26 12:22                             ` adfas asd
2009-10-25 16:49                       ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-10-25  1:28             ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-23 23:49         ` berk walker [this message]
2009-10-25  1:36           ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-25  1:50             ` Christopher Chen
2009-10-25  2:20               ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-27 21:08 adfas asd
2009-10-27 21:11 ` John Robinson
2009-10-27 21:22   ` adfas asd
2009-10-27 21:31     ` Christian Pernegger
2009-10-27 21:56       ` adfas asd
2009-10-28  3:14       ` Guy Watkins
     [not found] <1256656849.15137.126.camel@poledra.romunt.nl>
2009-10-27 20:31 ` adfas asd
2009-10-27 20:39   ` Ryan Wagoner
2009-10-27 21:00     ` Christian Pernegger
2009-10-28  0:39       ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-28  2:57         ` Rudy Zijlstra
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-10-26 12:56 adfas asd
2009-10-26 18:21 ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-10-27 14:32   ` adfas asd
2009-10-27 14:36     ` Gabor Gombas
2009-10-27 14:40       ` adfas asd
2009-10-27 18:22         ` Ryan Wagoner
2009-10-28  9:50           ` Lars Schimmer
2009-10-27 20:45     ` Bill Davidsen
2009-10-27 20:53       ` adfas asd
2009-10-27 21:00         ` Ryan Wagoner
2009-10-27 21:05           ` adfas asd
     [not found] <70ed7c3e0910221912h70b33ca0m3df9eedd9a54c459@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-23  2:18 ` adfas asd
2009-10-23  2:43   ` Majed B.
2009-10-23  2:59     ` adfas asd
2009-10-23  3:14       ` Majed B.
2009-10-23 19:24         ` adfas asd
2009-10-23 23:07           ` NeilBrown
2009-10-23 23:25             ` adfas asd
2009-10-23 23:39               ` Majed B.
2009-10-24  4:37               ` NeilBrown
2009-10-25  0:54       ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-10-23 22:37   ` Bill Davidsen
2009-10-23 22:41     ` adfas asd
2009-10-24  9:02   ` Luca Berra
2009-10-23  2:30 ` adfas asd
2009-10-23 22:28   ` Bill Davidsen
2009-10-26 15:38     ` Darius S. Naqvi
2009-10-23  1:36 adfas asd

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