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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen-sQDSfeB7uhw@public.gmane.org>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Neil Brown <neilb-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-raid-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	martin f krafft <madduck-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Bill Nottingham <notting-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [[Patch mdadm] 2/5] Move the files mdmon opens into /dev/ to support handoff after pivotroot
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:21:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B6B64A7.4010003@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e9c3a7c21002041504w17565653m5a8b8cd90543cf1e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

Dan Williams wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>   
>> To be fair, if post-hoc versus initial made any difference what so ever,
>> then so would the fact that I wouldn't have chosen to have these files
>> exist at all.  I would have made incremental assembly work without a map
>> file and I would have made imsm superblock handling be in the kernel.
>> So, I'm dealing with the consequences of decisions I didn't make and
>> wouldn't have made.  I don't think it's then fair to put some sort of
>> 'premeditated' versus 'dealing with the situation' bias on my response.
>>     
>
> On the argument about where to place the mdmon files I am now torn
> between the "Neil" and "Doug" positions, but on the decision of where
> to place imsm superblock handling I stand behind the design decision
> to put it in userspace.
>
> 1/ If you take a look at native md superblock support you see that the
> support code is duplicated between kernel-space and user space, having
> it all handled in userspace means only one code base to maintain
> (elegant aspect #1).
>   

That is the decision which I question. Having anything mission critical 
in user space means that there suddenly arise ownership, privilege and 
scheduling issues which just don't exist for things in the kernel.

Just my opinion, I believe it introduces additional points of failure. 
Perhaps like crypto it could be called from user or kernel space but 
live in the kernel.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen-sQDSfeB7uhw@public.gmane.org>
  "We can't solve today's problems by using the same thinking we
   used in creating them." - Einstein

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-02-05  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-11 20:38 Minor mdadm fixes Doug Ledford
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 1/5] Make the IMSM_DEVNAME_AS_SERIAL option work when creating containers. This allows a person to testing using loopback devices that don't support serial number queries Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:01   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-18 22:13   ` Dan Williams
2010-01-19  1:55     ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-19  4:42       ` Dan Williams
2010-01-19  5:31         ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-19  5:47           ` Dan Williams
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 2/5] Move the files mdmon opens into /dev/ to support handoff after pivotroot Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:09   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-19  7:21     ` Luca Berra
2010-01-19 17:51     ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-01 20:32       ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-01 21:32         ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-01 22:42           ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-02  4:08             ` Michael Evans
2010-02-02  7:17               ` Luca Berra
2010-02-02 15:42               ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-02 18:19                 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-04 13:50                   ` Bernd Schubert
2010-02-04 15:03                     ` Bernd Schubert
2010-02-04 15:48                       ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-04 16:40                         ` Bernd Schubert
2010-02-04 17:35                           ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-02 18:11               ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-02 18:07             ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-02 18:18               ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-04  6:40       ` Neil Brown
2010-02-04 18:45         ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]           ` <4B6B15B3.8030205-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-04 23:04             ` Dan Williams
     [not found]               ` <e9c3a7c21002041504w17565653m5a8b8cd90543cf1e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-05  0:21                 ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2010-02-05 12:14                   ` Luca Berra
2010-02-06 17:51               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                 ` <4B6DAC06.6060909-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-06 21:07                   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                     ` <e9c3a7c21002061307le6f5d56ked4fa3711bdd2367-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-06 21:46                       ` martin f krafft
2010-02-06 22:06                         ` Michael Evans
2010-02-08 15:32                       ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-08 21:38                         ` Neil Brown
2010-02-09  0:20                           ` Michael Evans
     [not found]                           ` <20100209083838.6568cac0-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-09  2:19                             ` martin f krafft
     [not found]                               ` <20100209021949.GB11780-0owbi4v4jRjYceiJAzDLgeTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-09 20:34                                 ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                   ` <4B71C6CA.3010407-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-10  0:58                                     ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
     [not found]                                       ` <alpine.LNX.2.01.1002091553580.10004-pIN9qAC4yfKseEBmXaVrNB5FPEiCeG3sAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-10  1:33                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-02-10  9:46                                           ` Harald Hoyer
     [not found]                                           ` <20100210123321.324e5de6-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-10 15:49                                             ` Dan Williams
2010-02-10 16:06                                               ` Michael Evans
     [not found]                                                 ` <4877c76c1002100806w66e504deg767f6ecc8cc7fa8a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-11  2:30                                                   ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-09 20:30                             ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-08  4:23                   ` Neil Brown
2010-02-07 22:13             ` Hans de Goede
2010-02-07 23:06               ` Neil Brown
2010-02-08  3:45           ` Neil Brown
2010-02-08 16:56             ` Bill Nottingham
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 3/5] We don't like %02d as a metadata format specifier, it confuses us when we read the output back later Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:02   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 4/5] When using -D --export the UUID is helpful, so print it out Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:03   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 5/5] Fix segfault when the AUTO keyword is used in the config file Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:03   ` Neil Brown
2010-01-12  0:49 ` Minor mdadm fixes Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-01-12  3:10   ` Andre Noll
2010-01-12  3:36     ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-12  4:39       ` Andre Noll
2010-01-12  4:46         ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-12  5:21           ` Andre Noll
2010-01-18 22:05 ` Neil Brown

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