From: Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
linux-raid-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
martin f krafft <madduck-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Michal Marek <mmarek-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
Hans de Goede <hdegoede-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Bill Nottingham <notting-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [[Patch mdadm] 2/5] Move the files mdmon opens into /dev/ to support handoff after pivotroot
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:32:53 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B702EA5.3030103@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e9c3a7c21002061307le6f5d56ked4fa3711bdd2367-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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On 02/06/2010 04:07 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> This comment makes me see Neil's argument in a different light,
> (hopefully I am not mischaracterizing it), but essentially we are
> waiting for the standards to catch up with this new class of program.
> FUSE, CUSE, and mdmon belong to a class of programs that move
> traditionally exclusive kernel space functionality to userspace.
> Debian's /lib/init/rw looks to be a response to this grey area of the
> standards (not that I have any familiarity with the LSB).
So if we want to argue that the standards are simply behind the times,
and we need to do something that makes sense regardless of the
standards, then I don't think anything in /dev or /lib makes sense. The
files that need to be created pre-rw-root are varied in their type and
purpose between different things. What we really need is simply an
early boot /tmp area. So, why not make a top level directory that
clearly delineates this nature? Something like /pre-init or /early-tmp
or whatever? Or possibly /tmp/pre-boot or /tmp/pre-init or
/tmp/pre-pivot-root (the pre-pivot-root naming is awfully linux
specific, so maybe /tmp/pre-init or /tmp/pre-boot would be better for
possible standards acceptance later)? I was thinking that mdmon's files
would be stuck there, but then I remembered that we are doing option #3
for mdmon, restarting after the system is up and running, so only the
mdmon instances from the initramfs would put their files there, the
final ones would be on the real /var/run area. So, since as far as I
know the mdmon .sock files were the only pre-boot files that couldn't be
moved later (but effectively get moved by restarting mdmon after r/w
/var/run), any and all files in /tmp/pre-pivot-root should be removed
once the system is up and running, and quite possibly the filesystem
could be entirely done away with. At least then the naming would be to
Neil's satisfaction I think, and mine. And personally, when the
standards are simply behind the times, I have no problem blazing ahead
and letting them catch up when they get off their asses.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-08 15:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-01-11 20:38 Minor mdadm fixes Doug Ledford
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 1/5] Make the IMSM_DEVNAME_AS_SERIAL option work when creating containers. This allows a person to testing using loopback devices that don't support serial number queries Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:01 ` Neil Brown
2010-01-18 22:13 ` Dan Williams
2010-01-19 1:55 ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-19 4:42 ` Dan Williams
2010-01-19 5:31 ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-19 5:47 ` Dan Williams
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 2/5] Move the files mdmon opens into /dev/ to support handoff after pivotroot Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:09 ` Neil Brown
2010-01-19 7:21 ` Luca Berra
2010-01-19 17:51 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-01 20:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-01 21:32 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-01 22:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-02 4:08 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-02 7:17 ` Luca Berra
2010-02-02 15:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-02 18:19 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-04 13:50 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-02-04 15:03 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-02-04 15:48 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-04 16:40 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-02-04 17:35 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-02 18:11 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-02 18:07 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-02 18:18 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-04 6:40 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-04 18:45 ` Doug Ledford
[not found] ` <4B6B15B3.8030205-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-04 23:04 ` Dan Williams
[not found] ` <e9c3a7c21002041504w17565653m5a8b8cd90543cf1e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-05 0:21 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-05 12:14 ` Luca Berra
2010-02-06 17:51 ` Doug Ledford
[not found] ` <4B6DAC06.6060909-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-06 21:07 ` Dan Williams
[not found] ` <e9c3a7c21002061307le6f5d56ked4fa3711bdd2367-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-06 21:46 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-06 22:06 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-08 15:32 ` Doug Ledford [this message]
2010-02-08 21:38 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-09 0:20 ` Michael Evans
[not found] ` <20100209083838.6568cac0-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-09 2:19 ` martin f krafft
[not found] ` <20100209021949.GB11780-0owbi4v4jRjYceiJAzDLgeTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-09 20:34 ` Doug Ledford
[not found] ` <4B71C6CA.3010407-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-10 0:58 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
[not found] ` <alpine.LNX.2.01.1002091553580.10004-pIN9qAC4yfKseEBmXaVrNB5FPEiCeG3sAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-10 1:33 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-10 9:46 ` Harald Hoyer
[not found] ` <20100210123321.324e5de6-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-10 15:49 ` Dan Williams
2010-02-10 16:06 ` Michael Evans
[not found] ` <4877c76c1002100806w66e504deg767f6ecc8cc7fa8a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-11 2:30 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-09 20:30 ` Doug Ledford
2010-02-08 4:23 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-07 22:13 ` Hans de Goede
2010-02-07 23:06 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-08 3:45 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-08 16:56 ` Bill Nottingham
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 3/5] We don't like %02d as a metadata format specifier, it confuses us when we read the output back later Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:02 ` Neil Brown
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 4/5] When using -D --export the UUID is helpful, so print it out Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:03 ` Neil Brown
2010-01-11 20:38 ` [[Patch mdadm] 5/5] Fix segfault when the AUTO keyword is used in the config file Doug Ledford
2010-01-18 22:03 ` Neil Brown
2010-01-12 0:49 ` Minor mdadm fixes Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-01-12 3:10 ` Andre Noll
2010-01-12 3:36 ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-12 4:39 ` Andre Noll
2010-01-12 4:46 ` Doug Ledford
2010-01-12 5:21 ` Andre Noll
2010-01-18 22:05 ` Neil Brown
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