From: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: st0ff@npl.de, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Use of WD20EARS with MDADM
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:14:04 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BCF163C.6040604@cfl.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BCEFB99.9080806@tmr.com>
On 4/21/2010 9:20 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> I hear this said, but I don't have any data to back it up. Drive vendors
> aren't stupid, so if the parking feature is likely to cause premature
> failures under warranty, I would expect that the feature would not be
> there, or that the drive would be made more robust. Maybe I have too
> much faith in greed as a design goal, but I have to wonder if load
> cycles are as destructive as seems to be the assumption.
Indeed, I think you have too much faith in people doing sensible things.
Especially when their average customer isn't placing the drive in a
high use environment and they know it, and suggest against doing so.
> I'd love to find some real data, anecdotal stories about older drives
> are not overly helpful. Clearly there is a trade-off between energy
> saving, response, and durability, I just don't have any data from a
> large population of new (green) drives.
I've not seen any anecdotal stories, but I have seen plenty of reports
with real data showing a large number of head unloads from the SMART
data after a relatively short period of use. Personally mine has a few
hundred so far and I have not even used it for real storage yet, only
testing. The specifications say it's good for 300,000 cycles, so do the
math... getting 5 unloads per minute would lead to probable failure
after 41 days. Granted that is about worst case, but still something to
watch out for. In order to make it the entire 3 year warranty period,
you need to stay under 11.4 unloads per hour. If you have very little
IO activity, or VERY MUCH, then this is entirely possible, but more
moderate loads in the middle have been observed to cause hundreds of
unloads per hour.
Given that, and the fact that WD themselves have stated that you should
not use these drives in a raid array, I'd either stay away, or watch out
for this problem and try to take action to avoid and monitor it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-21 15:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-25 16:20 Use of WD20EARS with MDADM Andrew Dunn
2010-03-25 17:01 ` Asdo
2010-03-25 17:58 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-25 20:23 ` John Robinson
2010-03-26 10:45 ` Asdo
2010-03-25 17:10 ` David Lethe
2010-03-25 17:45 ` Asdo
2010-03-28 16:19 ` Stefan *St0fF* Huebner
2010-03-29 16:59 ` WD20EARS data Stefan /*St0fF*/ Hübner
2010-03-29 17:13 ` Stefan /*St0fF*/ Hübner
2010-04-14 19:53 ` Use of WD20EARS with MDADM Bill Davidsen
2010-04-19 14:17 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 13:20 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-04-21 13:45 ` Tim Small
2010-04-21 14:32 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2010-04-21 21:58 ` Berkey B Walker
2010-05-02 22:33 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-05-03 0:08 ` Berkey B Walker
2010-04-21 15:14 ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2010-04-21 16:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-04-21 17:36 ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-21 18:40 ` Tim Small
2010-04-21 19:01 ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-21 19:31 ` Clinton Lee Taylor
2010-04-22 0:51 ` Steven Haigh
2010-04-21 19:33 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 20:36 ` Mark Knecht
2010-05-12 13:06 ` Tim Small
2010-04-22 11:40 ` wdidle3 Tim Small
2010-04-22 16:13 ` Use of WD20EARS with MDADM Khelben Blackstaff
2010-04-22 18:16 ` Simon Matthews
2010-04-22 19:44 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-22 23:23 ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-23 0:03 ` Richard Scobie
2010-04-23 1:29 ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-23 3:49 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-23 3:44 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 15:52 ` Simon Matthews
2010-04-21 19:24 ` Richard Scobie
2010-03-26 20:27 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 20:59 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:01 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 21:06 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:16 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:19 ` Richard Scobie
2010-03-26 22:38 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 22:47 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 22:50 ` Matt Garman
2010-03-26 22:51 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 23:01 ` David Rees
2010-03-27 23:31 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:45 ` Matt Garman
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