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From: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
To: "Eric D. Mudama" <edmudama@bounceswoosh.org>
Cc: "Scott E. Armitage" <launchpad@scott.armitage.name>,
	Roberto Spadim <roberto@spadim.com.br>,
	David Brown <david@westcontrol.com>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: SSD - TRIM command
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:24:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D62ADD4.8080601@cfl.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110209161916.GB8632@bounceswoosh.org>

On 2/9/2011 11:19 AM, Eric D. Mudama wrote:
> For SATA devices, ATA8-ACS2 addresses this through Deterministic Read
> After Trim in the DATA SET MANAGEMENT command.  Devices can be
> indeterminate, determinate with a non-zero pattern (often all-ones) or
> determinate all-zero for sectors read after being trimmed.

IIRC, it was a word in the IDENTIFY response, not the DATA SET
MANAGEMENT command.

On 2/9/2011 11:28 AM, Scott E. Armitage wrote:
> Who sends this command? If md can assume that determinate mode is
> always set, then RAID 1 at least would remain consistent. For RAID 5,
> consistency of the parity information depends on the determinate
> pattern used and the number of disks. If you used determinate
> all-zero, then parity information would always be consistent, but this
> is probably not preferable since every TRIM command would incur an
> extra write for each bit in each page of the block.

The drive tells YOU how its trim behaves; you don't command it.

If the drive is deterministic and always returns zeros after TRIM, then
mdadm could pass the TRIM down and process it like a write of all zeros,
and recompute the parity.  If it isn't deterministic, then I don't think
there's anything you can do to handle TRIM requests.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-02-21 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-07 20:07 SSD - TRIM command Roberto Spadim
2011-02-08 17:37 ` maurice
2011-02-08 18:31   ` Roberto Spadim
     [not found]     ` <AANLkTik5SumqyTN5LZVntna8nunvPe7v38TSFf9eCfcU@mail.gmail.com>
2011-02-08 20:50       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-08 21:18         ` maurice
2011-02-08 21:33           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-09  7:44   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-09  9:05     ` Eric D. Mudama
2011-02-09 15:45       ` Chris Worley
2011-02-09 13:29     ` David Brown
2011-02-09 14:39       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-09 15:00         ` Scott E. Armitage
2011-02-09 15:52           ` Chris Worley
2011-02-09 19:15             ` Doug Dumitru
2011-02-09 19:22               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-09 16:19           ` Eric D. Mudama
2011-02-09 16:28             ` Scott E. Armitage
2011-02-09 17:17               ` Eric D. Mudama
2011-02-09 18:18                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-09 18:24                   ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2011-02-09 18:30                     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-09 18:38                       ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2011-02-09 18:46                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-09 18:52                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-09 19:13                           ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2011-02-09 19:16                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-09 19:21                               ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2011-02-09 19:27                                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-21 18:24             ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2011-02-21 18:30               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-09 15:49         ` David Brown
2011-02-21 18:20           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-21 18:25             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-21 18:34               ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-21 18:48                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-21 18:51               ` Mathias Burén
2011-02-21 19:32                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-21 19:38                   ` Mathias Burén
2011-02-21 19:39                     ` Mathias Burén
2011-02-21 19:43                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-21 20:45                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-21 19:39                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-21 19:51                     ` Doug Dumitru
2011-02-21 19:57                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-21 20:47                     ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-21 21:02                       ` Mathias Burén
2011-02-21 22:52                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-21 23:41                           ` Mathias Burén
2011-02-21 23:42                             ` Mathias Burén
2011-02-21 23:52                               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-22  0:25                                 ` Mathias Burén
2011-02-22  0:30                                 ` Brendan Conoboy
2011-02-22  0:36                                 ` Eric D. Mudama
2011-02-22  1:46                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-22  1:52                                     ` Mathias Burén
2011-02-22  1:55                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-22  2:01                                         ` Eric D. Mudama
2011-02-22  2:02                                         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2011-02-22  2:22                                           ` Guy Watkins
2011-02-22  2:27                                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-22  3:45                                               ` NeilBrown
2011-02-22  4:37                                                 ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-22  2:38                                         ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-22  3:29                                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-22  3:42                                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-22  4:04                                             ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-22  4:30                                               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-22 14:45                                                 ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-22 17:15                                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-22  0:32                           ` Eric D. Mudama

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