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From: Joe Landman <joe.landman@gmail.com>
To: Roman Mamedov <rm@romanrm.ru>
Cc: Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com>, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: HBA Adaptor advice
Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 08:48:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DD66317.70400@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110520183413.64fe3ccc@natsu>

On 05/20/2011 08:34 AM, Roman Mamedov wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2011 08:18:32 -0400
> Joe Landman<joe.landman@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Second off, you can turn any of the expensive RAID cards into an 'JBOD'
>> by doing something like this:
>>
>> 1) have the unit configured in RAID mode
>>
>> 2) build virtual disks out of single drives, as RAID0.
>>
>> 3) iterate 2 until you exhaust your drives.
>>
>> 4) make sure you prevent these drives from messing with your boot drive
>> order ... some bioses "helpfully" reorganize new drives for you by
>> messing with this list.
>>
>> Once the drive is a 1 disk RAID0, you get the cache, and the BBU for the
>> cache.  Yeah, its a little weird.  But it does work (we've done this
>> with some LSI8888's).
>
> But can you then access SMART of the individual drives?

I don't view the loss of direct SMART access as a bad thing ... most of 
the RAID cards will give you CLI access to this data, if in a convoluted 
manner.  SMART's utility is generally pretty questionable (see the 
Google paper for a discussion on the profound lack of correlation of 
SMART parameters with actual failure rates).  But its there if you want it.

> Or will you see only some bogus block devices which do not accept SMART
> commands, do not return real drive identity, and present themselves as RAID0
> #1, RAID0 #2 etc. instead?

The RAID will provide you an abstraction (e.g. a layer you have to walk 
through) to your disks.  Seeing what composes the RAID is generally not 
hard, though you might need to write a quick and dirty parser for this.

The block devices are not bogus.  They are logical block devices.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-20 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-19 12:26 HBA Adaptor advice Ed W
2011-05-19 12:36 ` Roman Mamedov
2011-05-19 12:43   ` Mathias Burén
2011-05-19 14:06 ` Michael Sallaway
2011-05-19 19:10 ` Thomas Harold
2011-05-19 21:12   ` Rudy Zijlstra
2011-05-19 21:07 ` Brad Campbell
2011-05-20 20:58   ` Tobias McNulty
2011-05-20 21:23     ` Brad Campbell
2011-05-20  2:08 ` Andy Smith
2011-05-20  5:30   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-21  9:52     ` Ed W
2011-05-20  7:33   ` Ed W
2011-05-20 10:21     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-21 11:17       ` Ed W
2011-05-21 11:29         ` Rudy Zijlstra
2011-05-21 11:54           ` Ed W
2011-05-21 17:37             ` Leslie Rhorer
2011-05-22  9:41             ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-22 10:03               ` Rudy Zijlstra
2011-05-23  9:32                 ` Ed W
2011-05-21 17:05           ` Leslie Rhorer
2011-05-22  9:04         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-22 10:09           ` Brad Campbell
2011-05-22 19:25             ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-22 20:57               ` Tobias McNulty
2011-05-22 21:13                 ` Johannes Truschnigg
2011-05-23  9:48                   ` Ed W
2011-05-23 10:44                     ` John Robinson
2011-05-22 23:19               ` Brad Campbell
2011-05-23  4:09                 ` Roman Mamedov
2011-05-23  5:54                   ` Brad Campbell
2011-05-23  6:08                     ` Roman Mamedov
2011-05-23 10:42                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-23 11:35                       ` David Brown
2011-05-23  6:54                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-23  7:23                   ` Brad Campbell
2011-05-22 23:44               ` Brad Campbell
2011-05-23  0:07                 ` Brad Campbell
2011-05-23  5:30                   ` Stefan /*St0fF*/ Hübner
2011-05-23 10:18                     ` Ed W
2011-05-23  9:58                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-23 10:33                   ` Ed W
2011-05-23 11:21                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-20 12:18     ` Joe Landman
2011-05-20 12:34       ` Roman Mamedov
2011-05-20 12:36         ` Mathias Burén
2011-05-20 12:48         ` Joe Landman [this message]
2011-05-20 13:21       ` Ed W
2011-05-20 14:23         ` Joe Landman
2011-05-20 20:01       ` Andy Smith
2011-05-20 20:12         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-05-20 20:24         ` Drew
2011-05-20 20:58           ` Stan Hoeppner
     [not found]             ` <4DD7A100.2010807@wildgooses.com>
2011-05-22  8:13               ` Stan Hoeppner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-05-23  2:11 Jim Schatzman
2011-05-23  3:39 ` Tobias McNulty
2011-05-23 10:42   ` Ed W
2011-05-23 11:14 HBA Adaptor Advice Ed W
2011-05-23 11:55 ` Joe Landman

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