From: Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com>
To: Miquel van Smoorenburg <mikevs@xs4all.net>
Cc: David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>,
Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
Linux RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT to md raid 6 is slow
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:59:59 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5034593F.8010806@hardwarefreak.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5033A06B.30508@xs4all.net>
On 8/21/2012 9:51 AM, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> On 08/20/2012 01:34 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> I'm glad you jumped in David. You made a critical statement of fact
>> below which clears some things up. If you had stated it early on,
>> before Miquel stole the thread and moved it to LKML proper, it would
>> have short circuited a lot of this discussion. Which is:
>
> I'm sorry about that, that's because of the software that I use to
> follow most mailinglist. I didn't notice that the discussion was cc'ed
> to both lkml and l-r. I should fix that.
Oh, my bad. I thought it was intentional.
Don't feel too bad about it. When I tried to copy lkml back in on the
one message I screwed up as well. I though Tbird had filled in the full
address but it didn't.
>> Thus my original statement was correct, or at least half correct[1], as
>> it pertained to md/RAID6. Then Miquel switched the discussion to
>> md/RAID5 and stated I was all wet. I wasn't, and neither was Dave
>> Chinner. I was simply unaware of this md/RAID5 single block write RMW
>> shortcut
>
> Well, all I tried to say is that a small write of, say, 4K, to a
> raid5/raid6 array does not need to re-write the whole stripe (i.e.
> chunksize * nr_disks) but just 4K * nr_disks, or the RMW variant of that.
And I'm glad you did. Before that I didn't know about these efficiency
shortcuts and exactly how md does writeback on partial stripe updates.
Even with these optimizations, a default 512KB chunk is too big, for the
reasons I stated, the big one being the fact that you'll rarely fill a
full stripe, meaning nearly every write will incur an RMW cycle.
--
Stan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-08-22 3:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-08-15 0:49 O_DIRECT to md raid 6 is slow Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-15 1:07 ` kedacomkernel
2012-08-15 1:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-15 1:23 ` kedacomkernel
2012-08-15 11:50 ` John Robinson
2012-08-15 17:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-15 22:00 ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-15 22:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-15 23:50 ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-16 1:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-08-16 6:41 ` Roman Mamedov
[not found] ` <201208152307.q7FN7hMR008630@xs8.xs4all.nl>
[not found] ` <502CD3F8.70001@hardwarefreak.com>
[not found] ` <502D6B0A.6090508@xs4all.net>
[not found] ` <502DF357.8090205@hardwarefreak.com>
[not found] ` <502E2817.8040306@xs4all.net>
2012-08-18 5:09 ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-18 10:08 ` Michael Tokarev
2012-08-19 3:17 ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-19 14:01 ` David Brown
2012-08-19 23:34 ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-20 0:01 ` NeilBrown
2012-08-20 4:44 ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-20 5:19 ` Dave Chinner
2012-08-20 5:42 ` Stan Hoeppner
2012-08-20 7:47 ` David Brown
2012-08-21 14:51 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2012-08-22 3:59 ` Stan Hoeppner [this message]
2012-08-19 17:02 ` Chris Murphy
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