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From: joystick <joystick@shiftmail.org>
To: stan@hardwarefreak.com, linux-raid <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Triple parity and beyond
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:24:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <528F3F03.9020803@shiftmail.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <528F2575.80605@hardwarefreak.com>

On 22/11/2013 10:35, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> This is precisely why I proposed "RAID 15".  It gives you the single
> disk cloning rebuild speed of RAID 10.  When parity hits 5P then RAID 15
> becomes very competitive for smaller arrays.

Fair enough for smaller arrays, and you can already do that because 
raid15 needs no additional code in the kernel.
What about big arrays?
Your solution is to double the price, and without calculations I'd bet 
is less resilient than 4P for up to at least 200 disks.
So you propose to buy 100 more disks to save some rebuild time?

Note that the rebuild time depends on:
1: disks capacity vs linear read/write speeds, which is the same for 
raid51 and 3+P cases
2: cpu power. But 500MB/sec claimed by Andrea is already pretty good and 
parallelizable on multiple cores. By the time the disks will reach 8TB, 
we will also have many more cores on CPUs. Additionally, probably for 1 
failure only, just the 1st parity would be used for computation, and in 
that case the rebuild speed would approach that of raid5 which is pretty 
fast.

Your solution is also less extensible. After raid15 you only have 
raid16. Additional levels don't follow your philosophy.



  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-22 11:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-18 22:08 Triple parity and beyond Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-18 22:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-18 22:35   ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-18 23:25     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-19 10:16       ` David Brown
2013-11-19 17:36         ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-19 22:51           ` Drew
2013-11-20  0:54             ` Chris Murphy
2013-11-20  1:23               ` John Williams
2013-11-20 10:35                 ` David Brown
2013-11-20 10:31           ` David Brown
2013-11-20 18:09             ` John Williams
2013-11-20 18:44               ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-21  6:15                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-21  8:32               ` David Brown
2013-11-20 18:34             ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 18:43               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-20 18:56                 ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 18:59                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-20 21:21                     ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 19:00                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-20 21:04                     ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 21:06                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-21  8:36               ` David Brown
2013-11-19 17:28       ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-19 20:29         ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-20 16:16           ` James Plank
2013-11-20 19:05             ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 19:10               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-20 20:30                 ` James Plank
2013-11-20 21:23                   ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-27  2:50                     ` ronnie sahlberg
2013-11-20 21:28                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-21  1:28             ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-21  2:46               ` John Williams
2013-11-21  6:52                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-21  7:05                   ` John Williams
2013-11-21 22:57                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-21 23:38                       ` John Williams
2013-11-22  9:35                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 11:24                           ` joystick [this message]
2013-11-22 15:01                           ` John Williams
2013-11-22 22:28                             ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 23:07                       ` NeilBrown
2013-11-23  3:46                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-23  5:04                           ` NeilBrown
2013-11-23  5:34                             ` John Williams
2013-11-23  7:12                               ` NeilBrown
2013-11-24  4:03                                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-24  5:14                                   ` John Williams
2013-11-24 21:13                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-24 23:28                                       ` Rudy Zijlstra
2013-11-24 23:53                                       ` Alex Elsayed
2013-11-25  2:04                                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-25  4:48                                           ` Alex Elsayed
2013-11-25  9:15                                       ` David Brown
2013-11-24  5:19                                   ` Russell Coker
2013-11-24 21:44                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-24 22:31                                       ` Mark Knecht
2013-11-25  2:14                                       ` Russell Coker
2013-11-25  9:20                                         ` David Brown
2013-11-21  8:08               ` joystick
2013-11-22  0:30                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22  0:33                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22  0:45                   ` David Brown
2013-11-21  9:07               ` David Brown
2013-11-21  9:54                 ` Adam Goryachev
2013-11-21 10:32                   ` David Brown
2013-11-22  8:12                   ` Russell Coker
2013-11-25 18:23                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2013-11-22  8:13                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 13:15                   ` David Brown
2013-11-22 16:07                   ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 22:59                     ` NeilBrown
2013-11-23 17:39                       ` David Brown
2013-11-22 16:50                   ` Mark Knecht
2013-11-22 19:51                     ` Duncan
2013-11-22  8:38                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 13:24                   ` David Brown
2013-11-28  7:16                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-28  7:36                       ` Russell Coker
2013-11-28  9:56                       ` David Brown
2013-11-30  7:32                       ` Alex Elsayed
2013-12-01 15:37                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 14:19                   ` David Taylor
2013-11-21 19:56               ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-19 18:12 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-20 10:44   ` David Brown
2013-11-20 21:59     ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-21 10:13       ` David Brown
2013-11-21 17:37         ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2013-11-21 20:05         ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-21 20:31           ` David Brown
2013-11-21 20:52             ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-22  0:32               ` David Brown
2013-11-22 20:32                 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-26 18:10             ` joystick
2013-11-20 21:38   ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 22:29 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-23  7:55   ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-23 22:10     ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-24  9:39       ` Andrea Mazzoleni
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-12-01 17:53 Richard Scobie
2013-12-02  4:30 ` Stan Hoeppner

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