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From: Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com>
To: David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>,
	James Plank <plank@cs.utk.edu>, Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrea Mazzoleni <amadvance@gmail.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	David Smith <creamyfish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Triple parity and beyond
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:07:09 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <528F812D.8020105@hardwarefreak.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <528F122C.2040202@hardwarefreak.com>

On 11/22/2013 2:13 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> On 11/21/2013 3:07 AM, David Brown wrote:
...
>> I don't see that there needs to be any changes to the existing md code
>> to make raid15 work - it is merely a raid 5 made from a set of raid1
>> pairs.  
> 
> The sole purpose of the parity layer of the proposed RAID 15 is to
> replace sectors lost due to UREs during rebuild.  AFAIK the current RAID
> 5 and RAID 1 drivers have no code to support each other in this manner.

Minor self correction here-- obviously this isn't the 'sole' purpose of
the parity layer.  It also allows us to recover from losing an entire
mirror, which is a big upshot of the proposed RAID 15.  Thinking this
through a little further, more code modification would be needed for
this scenario.

In the event of a double drive failure in one mirror, the RAID 1 code
will need to be modified in such a way as to allow the RAID 5 code to
rebuild the first replacement disk, because the RAID 1 device is still
in a failed state.  Once this rebuild is complete, the RAID 1 code will
need to switch the state to degraded, and then do its standard rebuild
routine for the 2nd replacement drive.

Or, with some (likely major) hacking it should be possible to rebuild
both drives simultaneously for no loss of throughput or additional
elapsed time on the RAID 5 rebuild.  In the 20TB drive case, this would
shave 18 hours off the total rebuild operation elapsed time.  With
current 4TB drives it would still save 6.5 hours.  Losing both drives in
one mirror set of a striped array is rare, but given the rebuild time
saved it may be worth investigating during any development of this RAID
15 idea.

-- 
Stan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-22 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-18 22:08 Triple parity and beyond Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-18 22:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-18 22:35   ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-18 23:25     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-19 10:16       ` David Brown
2013-11-19 17:36         ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-19 22:51           ` Drew
2013-11-20  0:54             ` Chris Murphy
2013-11-20  1:23               ` John Williams
2013-11-20 10:35                 ` David Brown
2013-11-20 10:31           ` David Brown
2013-11-20 18:09             ` John Williams
2013-11-20 18:44               ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-21  6:15                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-21  8:32               ` David Brown
2013-11-20 18:34             ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 18:43               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-20 18:56                 ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 18:59                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-20 21:21                     ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 19:00                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-20 21:04                     ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 21:06                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-21  8:36               ` David Brown
2013-11-19 17:28       ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-19 20:29         ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-20 16:16           ` James Plank
2013-11-20 19:05             ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 19:10               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-20 20:30                 ` James Plank
2013-11-20 21:23                   ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-27  2:50                     ` ronnie sahlberg
2013-11-20 21:28                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-21  1:28             ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-21  2:46               ` John Williams
2013-11-21  6:52                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-21  7:05                   ` John Williams
2013-11-21 22:57                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-21 23:38                       ` John Williams
2013-11-22  9:35                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 11:24                           ` joystick
2013-11-22 15:01                           ` John Williams
2013-11-22 22:28                             ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 23:07                       ` NeilBrown
2013-11-23  3:46                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-23  5:04                           ` NeilBrown
2013-11-23  5:34                             ` John Williams
2013-11-23  7:12                               ` NeilBrown
2013-11-24  4:03                                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-24  5:14                                   ` John Williams
2013-11-24 21:13                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-24 23:28                                       ` Rudy Zijlstra
2013-11-24 23:53                                       ` Alex Elsayed
2013-11-25  2:04                                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-25  4:48                                           ` Alex Elsayed
2013-11-25  9:15                                       ` David Brown
2013-11-24  5:19                                   ` Russell Coker
2013-11-24 21:44                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-24 22:31                                       ` Mark Knecht
2013-11-25  2:14                                       ` Russell Coker
2013-11-25  9:20                                         ` David Brown
2013-11-21  8:08               ` joystick
2013-11-22  0:30                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22  0:33                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22  0:45                   ` David Brown
2013-11-21  9:07               ` David Brown
2013-11-21  9:54                 ` Adam Goryachev
2013-11-21 10:32                   ` David Brown
2013-11-22  8:12                   ` Russell Coker
2013-11-25 18:23                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2013-11-22  8:13                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 13:15                   ` David Brown
2013-11-22 16:07                   ` Stan Hoeppner [this message]
2013-11-22 22:59                     ` NeilBrown
2013-11-23 17:39                       ` David Brown
2013-11-22 16:50                   ` Mark Knecht
2013-11-22 19:51                     ` Duncan
2013-11-22  8:38                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 13:24                   ` David Brown
2013-11-28  7:16                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-28  7:36                       ` Russell Coker
2013-11-28  9:56                       ` David Brown
2013-11-30  7:32                       ` Alex Elsayed
2013-12-01 15:37                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-22 14:19                   ` David Taylor
2013-11-21 19:56               ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-19 18:12 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-20 10:44   ` David Brown
2013-11-20 21:59     ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-21 10:13       ` David Brown
2013-11-21 17:37         ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2013-11-21 20:05         ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-21 20:31           ` David Brown
2013-11-21 20:52             ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-22  0:32               ` David Brown
2013-11-22 20:32                 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-26 18:10             ` joystick
2013-11-20 21:38   ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-20 22:29 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-23  7:55   ` Andrea Mazzoleni
2013-11-23 22:10     ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2013-11-24  9:39       ` Andrea Mazzoleni
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-12-01 17:53 Richard Scobie
2013-12-02  4:30 ` Stan Hoeppner

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