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From: Phillip Susi <psusi@ubuntu.com>
To: Peter Grandi <pg@lxra2.for.sabi.co.UK>,
	Linux RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: The chunk size paradox
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 15:08:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52C5C731.2070209@ubuntu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21186.996.238486.690328@tree.ty.sabi.co.uk>

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Peter, please make sure to use your mail client's reply-to-all feature
and avoid any BS reply-to-list command, which breaks cross posted
threads, and delays my seeing your reply since I didn't get a copy.

On 12/30/2013 6:38 PM, Peter Grandi wrote:

> Therefore a larger chunk size increases the amount of data that can
> be fetched on each device without waiting for the other device to
> get to the desires angular position. It has of course the advnatage
> that you mention, but also the advantage that random IO might be
> improved.

Yes, and that is a good reason not to use 4k chunk size.  I believe
that 64k is plenty large enough for this purpose though.

>> and in the case of raid5 you run into problems with the stripe 
>> cache.
> 
> IIRC the stripe cache can be up to 32MB for RAID device, and that's
> a lot of stripes for any sensible-sized RAID set. But it never
> stopped people who "know better" to do very wide RAID5 or RAID6
> sets :-).

That's kind of my point: you don't want a *very* large stripe cache,
but limiting the chunk size means you get seek overhead to skip the
redundant data, so you are stuck between a rock and a hard place.  It
isn't as big of a deal on a 5 disk raid5/6 but on a 2 or 3 disk
raid10, a 512k chunk size has a hefty seek overhead.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-02 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-30 18:48 The chunk size paradox Phillip Susi
2013-12-30 23:38 ` Peter Grandi
2013-12-31  0:01   ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-12-31 13:51     ` David Brown
2014-01-02 20:08   ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2014-01-02 14:49 ` joystick
2014-01-02 15:24   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-02 15:41   ` Stan Hoeppner
2014-01-02 16:31     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-02 18:02       ` Stan Hoeppner
2014-01-02 19:10         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-02 22:49           ` Peter Grandi
2014-01-02 23:16           ` Stan Hoeppner
2014-01-03  1:02             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-02 19:21         ` Joe Landman
2014-01-02 22:42           ` Stan Hoeppner
2014-01-02 22:56             ` Carsten Aulbert
2014-01-03  0:19               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-03  1:24               ` Stan Hoeppner
2014-01-03  3:14               ` Joe Landman
2014-01-03  3:19                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2014-01-03  4:24                   ` Stan Hoeppner
2014-01-02 23:22           ` Peter Grandi
2014-01-03  3:09             ` Joe Landman
2014-01-03  4:58             ` Joe Landman
2014-01-02 22:32         ` Wolfgang Denk
2014-01-03 14:51           ` Benjamin ESTRABAUD

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