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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	axboe@kernel.dk, linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, mgorman@suse.de, hch@infradead.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] evacuate struct page from the block layer
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:57:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5511978F.6050100@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55113151.7090304@plexistor.com>

On 03/24/2015 05:41 AM, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
> On 03/23/2015 05:19 PM, Rik van Riel wrote:

>> There are two things going on here:
>>
>> 1) You want to keep using struct page for now, while there are
>>    subsystems that require it. This is perfectly legitimate.
>>
>> 2) Matthew and Dan are changing over some subsystems to no longer
>>    require struct page. This is perfectly legitimate.
>>
> 
> How is this legitimate when you need to Interface the [1] subsystems
> under the [2] subsystem? A subsystem that expects pages is now not
> usable by [2].
> 
> Today *All* the Kernel subsystems are [1] Period.

That's not true. In the graphics subsystem it is very normal to
mmap graphics memory without ever using a struct page. There are
other callers of remap_pfn_range() too.

In these cases, refcounting is done by keeping a refcount on the
entire object, not on individual pages (since we have none).

> How does it become
> legitimate to now start *two* competing, do the same differently, abstraction,
> in our kernel. We have two much diversity not to little.

We are already able to refcount either the whole object, or an
individual page.

One issue is that not every subsystem can do the whole object
refcounting, and that it would be nice to have the refcounting
done by one single interface.

If we want the code to be the same everywhere, we could achieve
that just as well with an abstraction as with a single data
structure.

Maybe even something as simplistic as these, with the internals
automatically taking and releasing a refcount on the proper object:

get_reference(file, memory_address)

put_reference(file, memory_address)

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      reply	other threads:[~2015-03-24 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-16 20:25 [RFC PATCH 0/7] evacuate struct page from the block layer Dan Williams
2015-03-16 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] block: add helpers for accessing a bio_vec page Dan Williams
2015-03-16 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] block: convert bio_vec.bv_page to bv_pfn Dan Williams
2015-03-16 23:05   ` Al Viro
2015-03-17 13:02     ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-03-17 15:53       ` Dan Williams
2015-03-16 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] dma-mapping: allow archs to optionally specify a ->map_pfn() operation Dan Williams
2015-03-18 11:21   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-16 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] scatterlist: use sg_phys() Dan Williams
2015-03-16 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] scatterlist: support "page-less" (__pfn_t only) entries Dan Williams
2015-03-16 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] x86: support dma_map_pfn() Dan Williams
2015-03-16 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] block: base support for pfn i/o Dan Williams
2015-03-18 10:47 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] evacuate struct page from the block layer Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-18 13:06   ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-03-18 14:38     ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-20 15:56       ` Rik van Riel
2015-03-22 11:53         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-18 15:35   ` Dan Williams
2015-03-18 20:26 ` Andrew Morton
2015-03-19 13:43   ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-03-19 15:54     ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-19 19:59       ` Andrew Morton
2015-03-19 20:59         ` Dan Williams
2015-03-22 17:22           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-20 17:32         ` Wols Lists
2015-03-22 10:30         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-19 18:17     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-03-19 19:31       ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-03-22 16:46       ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-20 16:21     ` Rik van Riel
2015-03-20 20:31       ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-03-20 21:08         ` Rik van Riel
2015-03-22 17:06           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-22 17:22             ` Dan Williams
2015-03-22 17:39               ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-20 21:17         ` Wols Lists
2015-03-22 16:24         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-22 15:51       ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-23 15:19         ` Rik van Riel
2015-03-23 19:30           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-03-24  9:41           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-03-24 16:57             ` Rik van Riel [this message]

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